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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:22 am

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Sondy132001 wrote:No offense but you're missing the point here, our Water District is mandating a 24% cut in water consumption or get fined, so this is something we "HAVE TO DO", so I can read these articles all day, but it doesn't negate the fact I have to cut 24% so I am !

...I so look forward to serious desalination efforts -- discussion, funding and construction, on a massive level and (yes) federally subsidized...

Desalinization is much more expensive and energy intensive then treating wastewater for reuse, which is already being done on a large scale, though those on the tap side of toilet to tap seem to prefer not to notice.

I'm not "missing the point" that California residents face mandates to restrict their water use, I am pointing out that almost unimaginable quantities of water are still being wasted in inefficient uses, due to various government subsidy programs, make many of these government mandates absurd.

Maybe these points are best illustrated by the Redding CA municipal water system.

Even though the city is located on the Sacramento River, it has very limited rights to use the water that flows through it each day. Like all other municipal water agencies, Redding residents face mandatory cutbacks (and are also taking measures such as collecting buckets of water in their showers) even though all the water that enters the Redding sewer system is not "wasted", but treated, and then released back into the Sacramento river.

This treated wastewater is available (some time later) at the Delta pumping stations, and eventually flows from the taps of Central and Southern California residents.

Notice that Redding's two wastewater treatment plants are placed on opposite banks of the Sacramento River:

http://www.ci.redding.ca.us/municipalut ... _11x17.pdf


How is Shasta's, Trinity's levels, BTW? Planning to camp there in a week or two.
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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:11 pm

sharkmobil wrote:
How is Shasta's, Trinity's levels, BTW? Planning to camp there in a week or two.

Down ~90 and ~115 ft. and dropping, more quickly soon.

http://www.usbr.gov/mp/cvo/vungvari/daily.pdf

Ever consider some of the other (~ full) lakes, such as:

http://www.nps.gov/whis/index.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Siskiyou

http://www.paddlingcalifornia.com/Lake_Britton.html
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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:02 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
sharkmobil wrote:How is Shasta's, Trinity's levels, BTW? Planning to camp there in a week or two.
Down ~90 and ~115 ft. and dropping, more quickly soon.

But I thought that -- according to commercials I here on the radio from "Houseboats.com", anyway -- that levels on Shasta are UP from last year! LOL? :-\
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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:11 pm

The audio quality leaves a lot to be desired, and the coverage is necessarily 'cursory', but if anyone wishes to hear an overview of the complexities of California's water problems, here's a fairly recent talk given by Felicia Marcus, chair of the State Water Resources Control Board. Oh, I would not want her job (and respect her for taking it on, even if I don't agree with everything she says).


Note that the audio of the "emcee" is worse than Ms. Marcus', so don't abandon the talk prematurely! :)
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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:47 pm

http://mashable.com/2015/06/12/california-water-cuts-farmers/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link

Ahem: Bone-dry California orders largest water cuts to farmers on record
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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:33 pm

You know it's hot in North California when your 10 day outlook daily highs ~ match Phoenix:

http://classic.wunderground.com/weather ... 99999?MR=1

http://classic.wunderground.com/weather ... 99999?MR=1

Fortunately, our nights are usually considerably cooler.

At the start of the third Summer of this drought, all of California's major reservoirs are less than half full:

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/products/rescond.pdf

And collectively contain only ~52% of normal capacity, for this date.

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/reservoirs/RES
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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:44 pm

Somewhat in honor of the season, I've just read George R. Stewart's 1948 novel "Fire", about a lightning fire in a fictional national forest in California (think Feather River region), and fighting it. Having set the stage: http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/in ... &pc=5&cp=0

Personally, I'm monitoring the Washington fire right now, but it's going to be a looong fire season.
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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:52 pm

Two fires within "a stone's throw" of me here yesterday. The closer one was started by spontaneous combustion, I believe -- probably from a stupid placement of a rag or some such -- but still, that's what 100+ temperatures and dry air and land will bring.
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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:02 pm

GRA wrote:...it's going to be a looong fire season.

And lightening strikes may really get it started tomorrow, if the forecast for thunderstorms holds true:

Northeast Foothills/Sacramento Valley Severe Watches & Warnings NOAA Weather Radio

Special Statement

Statement as of 1:51 PM PDT on June 25, 2015

... Heat continues with mountain thunderstorms and fire concerns
fridy through the weekend...

.Impacts...
* heat-related illnesses and impacts possible to likely if
actions not taken

* extra heat precautions should be made for outdoor events and
workers
.Forecast confidence...
* high for heat

* high for mountain thunderstorms


.Timing and strength...
* valley temperatures of 100-112 degrees Friday with warm
overnight lows in the 70s across northern Sacramento Valley

* mountain thunderstorms Friday through the weekend in the
afternoons and evenings
. More thunderstorms Sunday and next week
containing more rainfall.

http://classic.wunderground.com/US/CA/066.html#SPE
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Re: Western USA drought worst in modern era

Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:42 pm

By contrast, a very wet May (229% of average for my neighborhood) has meant low fire danger here in the piñon-juniper-oak forest, thus far:

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