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Re: IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:43 am

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Only with an irrefutable mathematical equation or model will the CC issue converge on meaningful/useful data.


That really isn't how the primate brain operates.


I agree. We developed mathematics as math is useful, but much of math is alien to our normal thought process.

All models are wrong, if you look close enough. Good models provide understanding, testable predictions, and allow exploration of alternatives.

The vast flow of money and power associated with fossil fuels complicates everything. Even as current climate models are very good, there is a whole industry devoted to denial of climate science.


LeftieBiker wrote:Convergence will only occur when there is continuous (not continual, continuous) severe damage from extreme weather over most of the globe. At that point most human brains will re-categorize climate change from "hypothetical future threat" to "immediate threat."


I hope you are wrong. That point is far too late in time. The time needed to change the economic system is on the order of decades, and the climate system will continue to worsen for centuries. We need, somehow, to "converge" earlier. Wish us luck, we need it.
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Re: IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:07 pm

I've come to believe the severe damage that climate change will cause to our environment over the next 50 years is fait accompli. The damage will cease only once coal, oil, and NG fuels have played out. Recovery of the atmosphere will occur many decades later. Who knows the number of species that will be lost or the very long term damage that will have been done to the oceans.
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Re: IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:23 pm

Solar panels creating an e-waste nightmare:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ean-energy

Looks like nuclear is a better way to go.
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Re: IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:03 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Solar panels creating an e-waste nightmare:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ean-energy

Looks like nuclear is a better way to go.


You might want to consider the source of your article before coming to such conclusions. We still (after almost 9 decades) do not have any idea how to deal with nuclear waste. Hanford in WA state is leaking sh!t all of the time. Multiply that by the number of other reactors and their wastes from other countries. This does not even take into account the deadly radiation from Chernobyl or Fukushima.
The solar problem that the National Review speaks of will be less deadly in 90 years than nuclear waste will be. Once enough panels are ready to be recycled technology will scale out to take care of the problem. Can the same be said for nuclear?
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Re: IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:28 pm

downeykp wrote:You might want to consider the source of your article before coming to such conclusions.

I'll hold off on any conclusions until it's confirmed by CNN... wait, never mind
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Re: IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:47 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
downeykp wrote:You might want to consider the source of your article before coming to such conclusions.

I'll hold off on any conclusions until it's confirmed by CNN... wait, never mind


Oh nice. And the news channel of record is? Wait, wait. Fox. They get everything right.
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Re: IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:05 pm

Drudge :-)
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Re: IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:47 am

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RegGuheert wrote:- CO2 CANNOT heat the water of the Earth's oceans.


A blanket can't warm you. It just keeps you from losing heat.


that is how everything works. you make your own heat. the house you live in only allows you to retain more of it. But the reality is this is a perfect example of how any one fact or set of facts can be manipulated to suit one's POV.

Covering your head with a plastic bag won't prevent you from breathing but it will kill you as soon as the CO reaches a certain level. We ALL should be well beyond this point.
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Major correction to satellite data shows 140% faster warming since 1998

Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:04 am

After correcting for problems caused by the decaying orbit of satellites, as well as other factors, they have produced a new record showing 36% faster warming since 1979 and nearly 140% faster (i.e. 2.4 times larger) warming since 1998. This is in comparison to the previous version 3 of the lower tropospheric temperature (TLT) data published in 2009.


https://www.carbonbrief.org/major-corre ... since-1998

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Re: IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:20 pm

People who don't believe in climate change should probably kill themselves, imo

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