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edatoakrun

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The Doomsday clock has been moved forward to its most advanced level in ~three decades, and climate change is now plsced first among the risks.


IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

2015: Unchecked climate change, global nuclear weapons modernizations, and outsized nuclear weapons arsenals pose extraordinary and undeniable threats to the continued existence of humanity, and world leaders have failed to act with the speed or on the scale required to protect citizens from potential catastrophe. These failures of political leadership endanger every person on Earth.” Despite some modestly positive developments in the climate change arena, current efforts are entirely insufficient to prevent a catastrophic warming of Earth. Meanwhile, the United States and Russia have embarked on massive programs to modernize their nuclear triads—thereby undermining existing nuclear weapons treaties. "The clock ticks now at just three minutes to midnight because international leaders are failing to perform their most important duty—ensuring and preserving the health and vitality of human civilization.
http://thebulletin.org/timeline" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

title edit: 1/25/18
 
Horrible news... why we put solar panels on our homes... drive electric... minimize our footprints, etc etc... Vote for politicians that don't want to drill baby drill and involve us in foreign conflicts to get resources. Educate others to overwhelm the Faux nonsense channel.
 
edatoakrun said:
The Doomsday clock has been moved forward to its most advanced level in ~three decades, and climate change is now plsced first among the risks.


IT IS 3 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

2015: Unchecked climate change, global nuclear weapons modernizations, and outsized nuclear weapons arsenals pose extraordinary and undeniable threats to the continued existence of humanity, and world leaders have failed to act with the speed or on the scale required to protect citizens from potential catastrophe. These failures of political leadership endanger every person on Earth.” Despite some modestly positive developments in the climate change arena, current efforts are entirely insufficient to prevent a catastrophic warming of Earth. Meanwhile, the United States and Russia have embarked on massive programs to modernize their nuclear triads—thereby undermining existing nuclear weapons treaties. "The clock ticks now at just three minutes to midnight because international leaders are failing to perform their most important duty—ensuring and preserving the health and vitality of human civilization.
http://thebulletin.org/timeline" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yo ED....what have you been smokin'? :roll:
 
smkettner said:
Not sure what 3 minutes really represents....
Just fear mongering to me.
Yeah. Must be smoking something. Just fear mongering.

After all, it's not like anyone should care that we're past peak oil, peak aluminum, peak fertilizer, peak soil, peak iron, or peak copper. Who cares that we've destroyed about 90% of life in the oceans, that fisheries around the world are collapsing, and those that remain are under direct thread from carbonic acid thanks to our fossil fuel habit? The water's warm - shrimp don't need shells - and they ones without tumors or three eyes from the BP oil spill will be ready to eat! Who cares that with each 1 degree C of average temperature rise that grain productivity drops 10%? Our agriculture system is fine, we'll keep making transgenic frankenseeds that'll grow anywhere, even in the path of pipelines after they've leaked oil or salt water. We're still feeding the world, after all! Well, except for the 1/7 of the planet's population that we're not, or the folks near oceans that get their protein from the dying waters. Everything's fine! Just go shopping and enjoy a good bottle of something while watching the Kardashians on TV.

What were you thinking Ed, posting this garbage?




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Andy you forgot PEAK population growth was also hit back in the 60s. Peak was hit the year I was born. :roll:
I do hope population growth peacefully turns negative before the earth is completely wrecked.
Doubt I will see it in my lifetime.

Still don't know what 3 minutes to midnight really represents.
I do try to live with a small footprint but I cannot save the world from humanity.
 
Animal production and consumption is the leading cause of global warming, water consumption, deforestation, & ocean dead zones. Go Vegan! http://Www.cowspiracy.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Or we could simply go to IV fed liquid sustenance... :lol:

ColumbiaRiverGorge said:
Animal production and consumption is the leading cause of global warming, water consumption, deforestation, & ocean dead zones. Go Vegan! http://Www.cowspiracy.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Unfortunately, way too many have taken this position. I am surprised to see this reflected on this web site also. Must be trolls.
 

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smkettner said:
Still don't know what 3 minutes to midnight really represents.
I do try to live with a small footprint but I cannot save the world from humanity.

+1. I try to make good choices and evangelize but there are those who seem to want me to live in a constant state of despair and self-loathing. Three minutes to midnight is foolishness. Is it any different than One minute to midnight? 90 minutes to midnight? Forty-seven minutes and 12 seconds to midnight? We have serious problems but BS doesn't help.
 
Nubo said:
smkettner said:
Still don't know what 3 minutes to midnight really represents.
I do try to live with a small footprint but I cannot save the world from humanity.

+1. I try to make good choices and evangelize but there are those who seem to want me to live in a constant state of despair and self-loathing. Three minutes to midnight is foolishness. Is it any different than One minute to midnight? 90 minutes to midnight? Forty-seven minutes and 12 seconds to midnight? We have serious problems but BS doesn't help.
Wow, you guys sure seem to be upset.

Imagine how badly you'll react when you see the clock is set to one minute past midnight.

Which is likely to occur fairly soon...
Not enough time for geoengineering to work?

There is consensus among scientists and global leaders on what has to happen to arrest climate change: The latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, endorsed by 120 country delegations in November 2014, says that without an immediate and large reduction in carbon dioxide emissions, global temperatures will sail into dangerous territory within the next 30 years, triggering effects such as major sea-level rise and increases in heavy rainfall...
http://thebulletin.org/not-enough-time-geoengineering-work7963" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

See you later.

I have go to sequester some more carbon before the next Atmospheric River hits.
 
according to the article it was 3 min to midnight in 1949...seems like its holding...or its meaningless. I tend to think the linked site and article are in the latter.
 
edatoakrun said:
Wow, you guys sure seem to be upset.

Imagine how badly you'll react when you see the clock is set to one minute past midnight.

No, as I said, just all crisis-ed out. It seems we've been lurching from one crisis to the next since the Iranians took hostages back in the 70's and "Nightline" showed the media how profitable it could be to keep us on a steady diet of crises and NEWS NEWS NEWS 24 hours a day. And so evangelists for causes have to escalate their rhetoric to rise above the noise and maybe being mere seconds from the *End of the World as We Know It* is the way to get our attention?

Personally I think it backfires. I consider myself to have a decent grasp of the issues and problems and I advocate for solutions. But if I get sick of the hyperbole how do we expect it to change hearts and minds of people who are less concerned?

Yes, we may already be too late. My personal opinion is that fossil fuels will continue to be burned in increasing volume until it's no longer profitable and any reductions we make in the first world will simply translate to increases in developing countries. And the only thing that is going to stop that is for the alternative energy sources to become better and cheaper than fossil fuels. All else is games.
 
Nubo and company - are you familiar with Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine? It seems to fit the 'never ending crisis' process we seem to be stuck in.

How do we break the cycle? And how do we do a better job at 'information flow triage' so we can make real progress on identifying the 'real' problems and then fixing them?

Thanks in advance.
Andy
 
smkettner said:
Andy you forgot PEAK population growth was also hit back in the 60s. Peak was hit the year I was born. :roll:
I do hope population growth peacefully turns negative before the earth is completely wrecked.
Doubt I will see it in my lifetime.

Still don't know what 3 minutes to midnight really represents.
I do try to live with a small footprint but I cannot save the world from humanity.
I didn't 'forget' about the peak population growth RATE because it's irrelevent, as you aptly explain. ;)

There's a link that shows exactly what the 3 minutes represents. Here:

1947: As the Bulletin evolves from a newsletter into a magazine, the Clock appears on the cover for the first time. It symbolizes the urgency of the nuclear dangers that the magazine's founders--and the broader scientific community--are trying to convey to the public and political leaders around the world.

Changing light bulbs and 'trying' to shrink the footprint (actually shrinking it is much better ;)) isn't enough. We need more people taking real action, as well as kicking their politicians in the nethers. Otherwise, we might as well dump EVs and LED lights and just get it over with. :(
 
Barring alien intervention or a leap forward that's an order of magnitude greater than previous ones (agriculture probably excepted) this civilization is destined to collapse. That doesn't mean we can't try to have it collapse into many discreet piles of usable rubble.

It seems we've been lurching from one crisis to the next since the Iranians took hostages back in the 70's and "Nightline" showed the media how profitable it could be to keep us on a steady diet of crises and NEWS NEWS NEWS 24 hours a day. And so evangelists for causes have to escalate their rhetoric to rise above the noise and maybe being mere seconds from the *End of the World as We Know It* is the way to get our attention?

No, the crisis keeps getting larger. Or, more accurately, we are seeing more and more of it instead of just looking at pieces we think are unrelated. Yes, the news media hype aspects of it, but overall they actually try to minimize it, both because primates are like that, and because they are supported by industries that depend on people spending money as if we aren't in our last few good years.
 
AndyH said:
Nubo and company - are you familiar with Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine? It seems to fit the 'never ending crisis' process we seem to be stuck in.

How do we break the cycle? And how do we do a better job at 'information flow triage' so we can make real progress on identifying the 'real' problems and then fixing them?

Thanks in advance.
Andy

No. Thanks for the link. My solution yesterday was to be grumpy. :lol:
 
Nubo said:
AndyH said:
Nubo and company - are you familiar with Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine? It seems to fit the 'never ending crisis' process we seem to be stuck in.

How do we break the cycle? And how do we do a better job at 'information flow triage' so we can make real progress on identifying the 'real' problems and then fixing them?

Thanks in advance.
Andy

No. Thanks for the link. My solution yesterday was to be grumpy. :lol:
That I understand. The more I try to wrap my mind around all the problems flying in close formation the more I want to curl up under the desk. :lol:

I really do think you nailed it about 'crisis overload' though. Some seem to be 'real' (climate change, fishery collapse, oil spills, etc.) and some seem to be manufactured...and for some reason the manufactured problems seem to get more press.
 
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