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SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:09 pm

Via GCC: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/09 ... -suvs.html

. . . SUVs overtook lower medium cars to become the largest automotive segment in 2015, accounting for 22.9% of light vehicle sales globally. Sales of SUVs grew from 5 million units in 2000 to 20 million in 2015 and are forecast to hit 42 million units by 2031. . . .

An increasing number of consumers in key emerging markets will be in a position to trade up from smaller cars to SUVs. However, a combination of key social changes such as urbanisation, smaller households and an aging population, in conjunction with increasing emissions regulations, have also boosted the fortunes of the small car segment.

Euromonitor predicts that small cars will see a global Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) of 2.9% between 2015 and 2031 but this is firmly secondary to the projected CAGR of 4.8% for SUVs.

The fastest growing SUVs markets in 2014-2015 were:

Thailand: +56.4%
Portugal: +54.8%
Italy: + 48.6%
China: +47.9%
Spain: +42%
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Re: SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:37 pm

A big factor is the aging of the USA.

I never wanted an SUV.
Not even a crossover.

But now that my wife and mother-in-law both need a rollator, the 2009 Altima SL sedan is almost unworkable.

My next vehicle needs to be something that can easily haul both rollators in the back.

Electric would be preferred.
Maybe the Bolt or the new VW crossover if they offer an electric version.
But neither of those are available yet :(

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Re: SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:11 pm

Hmm... learned something new. Never heard of a rollator, when I googled it, I realized they are something I deal with all the time, just never knew they were called that... :D I'll see if I can stump my fellow paramedics! 8-)
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Re: SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:14 am

Firetruck41 wrote:Hmm... learned something new. Never heard of a rollator, when I googled it, I realized they are something I deal with all the time, just never knew they were called that... :D I'll see if I can stump my fellow paramedics! 8-)

Had to look it up too, then realized my Dad uses one!
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Re: SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:21 am

I get the feeling when Petrol/Gas prices fall, which is almost always temporary, we buy cars that use more of it. When, 4 years later, we can't afford the running costs we complain about the lack of good cars that give a good MPG.

I like my EV. KWh are still 9.25c and one day I can collect my own. I don't ever see the day that I can produce my own Gasoline/Petrol/Diesel or natural gas enough to run my car daily.
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Re: SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:28 pm

Anyone remember seeing a post from me here? I'm sure I made one, but it's gone.
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Re: SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:13 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Anyone remember seeing a post from me here? I'm sure I made one, but it's gone.

I didn't see it.
When I posted I was the first post after the OP.

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Re: SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:19 pm

Anyway, I noted that because Crossovers have surpassed sedans in sales, and that because most or many of them aren't really SUVs but are more like wagons, I thought that the waters had been muddied, with the implication that the bigger SUVs were suddenly jumping in sales, when that wasn't the case. I also said that I disliked the squashed rear ends and terrible rear window visibility of crossovers like the Matrix, and that I preferred actual wagons with generous rear sections and good rear visibility, and even preferred cars like the Gen 3 Prius over crossovers, because of these issues.

I've copied this post, and am ready to repost it as often as it vanishes. ;-)
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Re: SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:10 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Anyway, I noted that because Crossovers have surpassed sedans in sales, and that because most or many of them aren't really SUVs but are more like wagons, I thought that the waters had been muddied, with the implication that the bigger SUVs were suddenly jumping in sales, when that wasn't the case. I also said that I disliked the squashed rear ends and terrible rear window visibility of crossovers like the Matrix, and that I preferred actual wagons with generous rear sections and good rear visibility, and even preferred cars like the Gen 3 Prius over crossovers, because of these issues.

I've copied this post, and am ready to repost it as often as it vanishes. ;-)

The trend is definitely to car-based CUVs rather than truck-based SUVs, which is why I personally don't lump them all in as SUVs; the distinction is important. There are certainly crossovers with excellent visibility, which sometimes seem more like tall wagons. The Subaru Forester is rated to have the best driver visibility of any LDV currently for sale (full disclosure: I own a 2003 Forester which I chose partly because of its excellent visibility, a trait shared by most Subaru wagons/CUVs going back a couple of decades). Subaru and a few others eschew external 'style', which usually manifests itself as wide window framing and/or an upward sloping or upward curving beltline or other framing feature resulting in a small and/or awkwardly placed second and third windows, for a low , essentially straight beltline with large windows that may not be as stylish but provides much better 360 visibility. Cf: http://cms.kelleybluebookimages.com/con ... .1280.jpeg

with http://media.caranddriver.com/images/09 ... 50x274.jpg

and http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_ ... rofile.jpg

Also see: http://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car ... isibility/

On a related note to the thread title, via GCC:
Mercedes-Benz delivers its four-millionth SUV; SUV sales up 40% in August
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2016/09 ... 07-mb.html

. . . Sales of the SUVs from Mercedes-Benz reached a new high of 56,286 units in August (+39.3%)—the GLA and GLC were especially popular. Since 2011, unit sales of SUVs have more than doubled.
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Re: SUVs became the largest and fastest-growing automotive segment in 2015; up 22% from 2014

Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:07 am

GRA wrote:I own a 2003 Forester which I chose partly because of its excellent visibility,...
Bottom line for GRA in thread after thread after thread: "I couldn't care less that my vehicle pollutes more than the average car on the road today. What's most important is my personal convenience. I'm here to justify that as I repeatedly point out that most Americans share my opinion. I don't use photovoltaics for similar reasons: they don't fit my lifestyle."

The obvious conclusion of this warped thinking is to promote the most-polluting vehicle option currently available: H2 FCVs: "They'll never be as efficient as BEVs, but convenience trumps efficiency every time."

2003 Subaru Forester: 21 MPG City 27 MPG Hwy

But in 2003, there were plenty of options available which produced significantly lower pollution. That's what many here chose instead. Here's what we are still driving:

2003 Honda Civic Hybrid: 48 MPG City 47 MPG Hwy

But that car is now used on the small minority of our miles since we also have a 2011 Nissan LEAF which consumes no "gallons" to travel its miles.

Let me guess: It's important that you drive a high-polluting vehicle because that's what you feel you need to drive into the mountains and enjoy nature. It's too bad the irony of that is lost on you just as it is on most Americans.

The simple fact is that automobile companies decide what type of cars they will manufacture based on what people purchase. The growth in high-polluting car segments is the direct result of the "convenience trumps efficiency everyday" mentality.
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