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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:20 pm

I pretty much refuse to buy throw-away plastic. I cannot remember when the habit started.
My wife, alas, places convenience over the environment and buys plastic if a readily available alternative is not handy.

It is a sore point of contention between us.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:30 am

downeykp wrote:Forgetting about rising sea levels is a pretty stupid comment also

A literary device, not a literal device.
SageBrush wrote:OP is an AGW denialist, but dead ocean the size of Texas is difficult for even a Trumper to ignore.

The anger is strong with this one, as is the lack of perception.

Buck up buttercup, only 6 1/2 years to go.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:00 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Buck up buttercup, only 6 1/2 years to go.


:lol:

I'm pretty sure that Trump will be the first president in a while that doesn't get re-elected. Then again, I've been wrong plenty of times before.

Fortunately for me, I actually agree with a good number of his policies (the actual policies, not the non-sense which is proclaimed by the liberal press). I could do without his hubris, though. I wish he would talk / tweet less and just generally act a lot more presidential.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:04 am

ITMFA
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:38 am

finman100 wrote:ITMFA

That would be step #1
#2 is a treason trial by military tribunal for him and cronies.
Intensive interrogation should be considered.

#3 is sending his voters to Mexico to provide cheap labor.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:27 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Buck up buttercup, only 6 1/2 years to go.


Trump wants to be President For Life. I don't see the Republicans saying no.

Might be more than 6 1/2 years. Then there is Trump Jr.

Reality stars make great Presidents.

Check out pictures of Venezuela.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/lens ... -fled.html
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:35 am

WetEV wrote:Check out pictures of Venezuela.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/lens ... -fled.html


:lol:

What's funny about this post is that the extreme right was making similar noises when Obama was elected.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:07 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:What's funny about this post is that the extreme right was making similar noises when Obama was elected.


Funny, the extreme right is saying the same thing about Trump.

I have read what Trump said at the G-7 about Russia, Crimea, etc. I have read it but can hardly believe it. This is the U.S. president? Why is he talking like an RT host? Just when you think things might be slightly normal -- you're jolted back into reality. A head-spinning time.


https://twitter.com/jaynordlinger/statu ... 6750725121

RT = Russia Today, Russian State controlled media.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:18 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:I buy plastic bottles of water occasionally, and then reuse them for years, but I agree with your main point. Putting a $.25 deposit on them would accomplish much the same thing.

I hope that would be enough - $0.05 generally isn't:
CalRecycle, officially known as the Department of Resources Recycling and Recovery, administers the California Beverage Container Recycling and Litter Reduction Act. Beverage containers covered under the act are subject to California Redemption Value (CRV), which is 5 cents for containers less than 24 ounces, 10 cents for containers 24 ounces or larger. Thanks to the CRV cash incentive, more than 300 billion aluminum, glass, and plastic beverage containers have been recycled since the program began in 1987.
http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer/

At the very least, boosting the small bottles and cans to $0.10 each, and the big ones to $0.20 or $0.25 seems called for, given 30+ years of inflation. I'm going to contact my assemblyman and state senator and see if I can't get them to introduce a bill to increase the value, or preferably ban them. Aluminum cans see a much higher percentage recycled so I think they're okay, and are an element in any case: http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/bevcontainer/Rates/BiannualRpt/JulyDecRpt.pdf

Originally, people used to buy home soda dispensers and bulk syrup and have their soft drinks that way, but the current ones are far too expensive.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:03 pm

Can a moderator change the thread topic to "Forget about plastic, I hate Donald Trump!"
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