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Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:46 am

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/envi ... orplastic/

The proliferation of plastic packaging and the failure to recognize and deal with the impacts is astounding.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

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Perhaps your chosen president shares your concerns ?
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:22 am

SageBrush wrote:Perhaps your chosen president shares your concerns ?


He's building a wall around it out of aluminum.

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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:29 am

SageBrush wrote:Perhaps your chosen president shares your concerns ?

Don't know. If I ever have the privilege of meeting Governor Romney I'll ask him.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:24 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Perhaps your chosen president shares your concerns ?

Don't know. If I ever have the privilege of meeting Governor Romney I'll ask him.

Cute. You SHOULD know; after all, you think it is more important than AGW. And try to remember who you voted for in the presidential election.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:46 pm

The Bay area prohibited stores from giving out free single-use plastic bags a couple of years ago. They used to be everywhere, on land and (when scuba diving) under water, and they've now virtually disappeared from the waste stream here. What really irks me now are single-use plastic water bottles. People just dump them, often half or more full. After realizing just how many of these I see on a daily basis, I've recently begun to carry a separate grocery tote bag just to pick these and aluminum cans up for recycling as I walk to the grocery store and back. I figure I make the cost of groceries (California CRV value) every 2 or 3 times I walk the six blocks and back to the store, but I'd prefer to see them banned entirely. I've never bought one of these bottles, and can't imagine why anyone would. Either your tap water is good, and you put it in a reusable water bottle, or you get a filter and do likewise, or stores install dispensers that you fill your bottles with. That seemingly isn't convenient enough for many. I've been using the same plastic water bottles for as much as 3 decades now (probably not BPA free for some of the older ones), and I just don't get the throw-away culture.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:49 pm

I buy plastic bottles of water occasionally, and then reuse them for years, but I agree with your main point. Putting a $.25 deposit on them would accomplish much the same thing.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:06 pm

Were drowning in both! Here on the Big Island of Hawaii, The Pacific Garbage gyre dumps shit (plastics) from all over the world on the Southpoint area. small pieces of plastic, ropes by the miles, buoys and anything else that is plastic, you name it.

Forgetting about rising sea levels is a pretty stupid comment also. We have had more King tides over the last two years than we have ever had. No one here had ever heard of a King tide until a few years ago. King tides for those who don't know are tides that are somewhat unprecedented in that they are way higher than historical high tides.

So both of these things are a real problem here in Hawaii.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:09 pm

downeykp wrote:Were drowning in both! Here on the Big Island of Hawaii, The Pacific Garbage gyre dumps shit (plastics) from all over the world on the Southpoint area. small pieces of plastic, ropes by the miles, buoys and anything else that is plastic, you name it.

Forgetting about rising sea levels is a pretty stupid comment also. We have had more King tides over the last two years than we have ever had. No one here had ever heard of a King tide until a few years ago. King tides for those who don't know are tides that are somewhat unprecedented in that they are way higher than historical high tides.

So both of these things are a real problem here in Hawaii.

OP is an AGW denialist, but dead ocean the size of Texas is difficult for even a Trumper to ignore.
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Re: Forget rising sea levels, we're drowning in plastic

Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:29 pm

GRA wrote:I've never bought one of these bottles, and can't imagine why anyone would.

The vast majority of consumers aren't as plugged into environmental issues as most of the people on this forum. I was oblivious to the plastic water bottle issue until I attended a lecture by Anita Roddick in 2005'ish. Given their continued sales rate, we still have a long way to go to get the message out.

We've eliminated those from our routine grocery runs. However, we are still guilty of consuming some out of convenience. When out and about and stopping at a vending machine, we can either go with that or some sugar filled aluminum can. We routinely re-use our plastic bottles and take with us when we can. Yes, we have room for improvement and can do better at carrying a bottle with us and refilling as we need. But if 90% of the population was as good as we are on this, the plastic bottle industry would be devastated. Kind of like how if 90% of consumers stopped buying ICEVs and switched to EVs or at least PHEVs. The better option is available, but the average consumer hasn't gotten the message yet.
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