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Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:57 pm

Via LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-offshore-drilling-20180908-story.html

Gov. Jerry Brown on Saturday signed two bills that would block new offshore oil drilling in California by barring the construction of pipelines, piers, wharves or other infrastructure necessary to transport the oil and gas from federal waters to state land.

This locks into law the vows of Brown and other state officials who declared earlier this year they would do whatever it takes to stop the Trump administration from opening California waters to drilling on an unprecedented scale.

“Today, California’s message to the Trump administration is simple: Not here, not now,” Brown said in a statement. “We will not let the federal government pillage public lands and destroy our treasured coast.”

Bills AB 1775 and SB 834 prohibit the State Lands Commission, which has jurisdiction over tidelands and waters extending roughly three miles offshore, from granting leases for new pipelines and infrastructure — the most economical way to transport oil and gas to land. . . .

Polls today show 69% of California residents oppose more drilling off their coast. Both the Republican and Democratic candidates vying to be the next governor have declared that the state's commitment to block new offshore drilling would not change under their leadership.

Oil and gas production from the state’s tidelands peaked in the 1960s and has been more or less declining ever since. The state has not issued a new offshore oil and gas lease since the devastating 1969 spill in Santa Barbara turned public sentiment against offshore drilling. In 1994, the state Legislature passed the California Coastal Sanctuary Act, which prohibits new leasing in state waters. . . .

The Santa Barbara blowout was responsible for a lot of boomers, myself included, developing an environmental consciousness for the first time: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/1969-oil-spill-near-santa-barbara-was-galvanizing-environmentalism-n361911

I was in grade school then, and schools all over the state collected kids' change to help clean up affected birds and mammals. If there's one thing that virtually all Californians get mad about, it's oil spills off our coasts.
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Re: Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:06 pm

GRA wrote:If there's one thing that virtually all Californians get mad about, it's oil spills off our coasts.
Yet I see a LOT of Californians driving gasoline-powered cars. How about you?
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Re: Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:16 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
GRA wrote:If there's one thing that virtually all Californians get mad about, it's oil spills off our coasts.
Yet I see a LOT of Californians driving gasoline-powered cars. How about you?


Do you only eat organic, fair trade chocolate, Reg? Did you source the lithium you use personally? Humans are nothing if not hypocrites, so you have to either drop out of society or accept that good people are doing harmful things. The way to change for the better that isn't by browbeating them, especially when you are likely little better.
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Re: Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:21 pm

Yeah, humans are strange paradoxical creatures. Commute solo in ICE SUVs and trucks and feel good bringing a few bottles, cans, or cardboard to be recycled.

Wonder how many lawmakers who put this bill through drive electric?

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/10/646373423/california-sets-goal-of-100-percent-renewable-electric-power-by-2045

Reg doesn't seem to be saying he is perfect, just pointing out ridiculousness. Doesn't make him a saint.

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GRA wrote:If there's one thing that virtually all Californians get mad about, it's oil spills off our coasts.
Yet I see a LOT of Californians driving gasoline-powered cars. How about you?
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Re: Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:22 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Do you only eat organic, fair trade chocolate, Reg?
No, but that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

The point is that the gasoline that Californians burn to drive their cars has to come from *somewhere*, as does the electricity, the water, etc. that they use. Eventually something's gotta give.
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Re: Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:24 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
GRA wrote:If there's one thing that virtually all Californians get mad about, it's oil spills off our coasts.
Yet I see a LOT of Californians driving gasoline-powered cars. How about you?

You'll note that we also lead the country in the number and % of PEVs (and HEVs), plan to eliminate fossil-fueled electricity generation by 2045, boost the ZEV fleet to 5M by 2030, etc., and of course the whole reason you have a BEV to drive is because of steps California took more than a decade [Edit: two decades] ago; building and appliance energy-efficiency standards were something introduced during Jerry Brown's first go-round as governor in the '70s, and have since been adopted by many other jurisdictions up to the federal level (e.g. Energy Star). Were you planning to hold your own state up as an environmental model we should emulate?

So, while most Californians only get angry over environmental issues when there's a major catastrophe like an oil spill, we are moving away from fossil fuels faster than any other state. Sure, most people are hypocrites to some extent or another, but to what extent does matter.
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Re: Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:01 pm

If the oil is easy they will not need any pipelines.
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Re: Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:03 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Do you only eat organic, fair trade chocolate, Reg?
No, but that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

The point is that the gasoline that Californians burn to drive their cars has to come from *somewhere*, as does the electricity, the water, etc. that they use. Eventually something's gotta give.


Welcome to NIMBY: Oil spills in AK, tar sands from Canada -- acceptable
Oil spills off California -- not so much.

Even so,
I read the other day that CA is approaching 10% of new cars being hybrid or better.
How is VA doing ?

By the way, the two important events in California that germinated popular environmentalism in that state was LA smog and a large oil spill off the coast (Long Beach, IIRC.)
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Re: Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:13 pm

GRA wrote:You'll note that we also lead the country in the number and % of PEVs (and HEVs),...
Impressive! To what end? CA's vehicle emissions are still increasing, NOT decreasing:
San Francisco Chronicle wrote:Emissions from transportation — cars, trucks, trains, planes and ships — keep rising.
GRA wrote:...plan to eliminate fossil-fueled electricity generation by 2045, boost the ZEV fleet to 5M by 2030, etc.,...
Do you plan to continue to increase vehicular emissions during those periods, as well?
GRA wrote:...and of course the whole reason you have a BEV to drive is because of steps California took more than a decade ago; building and appliance energy-efficiency standards were something introduced during Jerry Brown's first go-round as governor in the '70s, and have since been adopted by many other jurisdictions up to the federal level.
It's true: Californians were the first in the US to pollute their air so severely that everyone in some parts of the state could clearly SEE that something had to be done.
GRA wrote:Were you planning to hold your own state up as a model we should emulate?
No. Were you?
GRA wrote:So, while most Californians only get angry over environmental issues when there's a major catastrophe like an oil spill, we are moving away from fossil fuels faster than any other state.
No, you aren't. Between 2007 and 2015, CA reduced emissions by about 9% while the US reduced emissions by over 10%.
GRA wrote:Sure, most people are hypocrites to some extent or another, but to what extent does matter.
I couldn't agree more. In CA, virtue signalling reigns supreme.
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Re: Gov. Brown signs bills to block Trump's offshore oil drilling plan

Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:12 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Do you only eat organic, fair trade chocolate, Reg?
No, but that doesn't make me a hypocrite.


Not if you support human slavery and child labor, no. Because the vast majority of chocolate production involves one or both of those. You even have it easier than Californians: it wouldn't be a huge financial hit for you to buy only Fair Trade, organic chocolate. Yet you choose to support slavery and child labor because it's a little easier. Like driving an ICE in California.
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