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Ice911

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 5:51 pm
by Lothsahn
Just read this cool article about https://www.ice911.org/:

https://grist.org/article/in-the-warmin ... te-change/

In a nutshell, its a nonprofit who has found a way to reflect light and stop the loss of arctic sea ice. I'm not affiliated with them, but I thought people here might be interested.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 6:43 pm
by LeftieBiker
Here's hoping. It seems too simple and too small a scale.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 6:44 am
by Lothsahn
Its definitely not enough in isolation, but if a solution that simple can have a big impact, it could make a big difference.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:40 am
by WetEV
tiny, hollow microbeads made mostly of silica, a type of sand made of quartz rock.


These float for how long?

If a long time, then just how is covering the world's oceans with tiny, floating abrasive silica beads a good idea?

Re: Ice911

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 9:31 am
by DaveinOlyWA
This is a good idea but soon we will miss the good window to implement it. The best way is spread it on ice that will likely survive the Summer and that ice is shrinking rapidly. There is one advantage in that most of the ice is contained so only needing to cover two major outlets greatly simplifies what would normally be an overwhelming difficult task.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:23 pm
by powersurge
I find it amazing how Humans think that they are in control of their environment, or even their lives.

We, as a species, need to learn to live in peace, and enjoy the few precious years that we all have.

You have to be a nut to worry that Humans "are solely responsible" for the environment. Also, that we have to invest some ridiculous amount of time, money, and effort, because "SOMEONE" has predicted that the global temperature will rise a few degrees by the end of the century.

Doesn't anyone see how ridiculous it is for us to have "the answer" to a forecasted problem that will happen decades from now?

Spare me. The earth and the sun will do that they feel like doing regardless. We are really nothing more than ants fighting over who controls the anthill.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 8:32 am
by DaveinOlyWA
powersurge wrote:I find it amazing how Humans think that they are in control of their environment, or even their lives.

We, as a species, need to learn to live in peace, and enjoy the few precious years that we all have.

You have to be a nut to worry that Humans "are solely responsible" for the environment. Also, that we have to invest some ridiculous amount of time, money, and effort, because "SOMEONE" has predicted that the global temperature will rise a few degrees by the end of the century.

Doesn't anyone see how ridiculous it is for us to have "the answer" to a forecasted problem that will happen decades from now?

Spare me. The earth and the sun will do that they feel like doing regardless. We are really nothing more than ants fighting over who controls the anthill.


The mechanisms creating the issues are quite clear so I fail to see your point of saying "why do anything? Its not our fault, let nature fix it" attitude. Luckily there is plenty of sand in the World.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 6:53 am
by powersurge
I respect your opinions, and the articles you have written. However I have deep misgivings with the following...

1) The idea that WE, the USA and the western world are responsible for "Global Warming", and that we have an ability to stop or reverse it. For every Prius or Leaf we buy, there are 20 peasants in the 3rd world countries riding more polluting mopeds, and buying more cars without pollution controls. Also, one volcano or forest fire will set back millions of $$ of environmentally "responsible" behavior.

2) Today, we still cannot predict if it will rain tomorrow or what the stock market will do in the next hour. Does anyone really think that they can predict what the average yearly temperature will be in a century or even a decade? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.. That is almost like we used to do human sacrifices to calm the weather gods, or think the world was ending when there was an eclipse...

This URGENCY to stop global warming is really a way for politicians to have the "moral justification" to control our lives and our pocketbooks. They are just chicken littles yelling that the sky is falling, so send us your money and we will make laws to protect you!!

Re: Ice911

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 6:57 am
by BuffaloBillsfan
Dude, global warming is not the same as daily weather. It has been proven that the global temp has been rising decade after decade. It's not a myth or some politically made up bs. It's fact. Facts are not debatable. It would be as if we're arguing over the color of the sky. And yes , based on the trend it has been going on, they can totally predict it. If you had 100 dollars and in a week you lost 7 and the next week you lost another 7 dollars, you can predict that at the current trend you would lose all of your money in 14.285 weeks. Same with the global temperature the way it is trending.

Re: Ice911

Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 6:46 am
by DaveinOlyWA
powersurge wrote:I respect your opinions, and the articles you have written. However I have deep misgivings with the following...

1) The idea that WE, the USA and the western world are responsible for "Global Warming", and that we have an ability to stop or reverse it. For every Prius or Leaf we buy, there are 20 peasants in the 3rd world countries riding more polluting mopeds, and buying more cars without pollution controls. Also, one volcano or forest fire will set back millions of $$ of environmentally "responsible" behavior.

2) Today, we still cannot predict if it will rain tomorrow or what the stock market will do in the next hour. Does anyone really think that they can predict what the average yearly temperature will be in a century or even a decade? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.. That is almost like we used to do human sacrifices to calm the weather gods, or think the world was ending when there was an eclipse...

This URGENCY to stop global warming is really a way for politicians to have the "moral justification" to control our lives and our pocketbooks. They are just chicken littles yelling that the sky is falling, so send us your money and we will make laws to protect you!!


So what is your suggestion? Do nothing? Let it ride?

Well that is not how the World works. We "have" to do something because our current actions are downright ridiculous. We are so bad in so many ways, its not a borderline call and hasn't been for decades. Little T was elected due to massive information misdirection that we are so prone to follow.

We knew he would not make a good president but he still convinced us not that he would be a good president, but only that he was the lesser of two evils and the most pathetic thing is the "greater evil" didn't really do that much wrong when compared to Little T's lifelong list of shenanigans.

As it stands, money is enough to control our actions and yes, that has always been true but with social media, misdirection has kicked into high gear. A modicum of truth is no longer required to sway our opinion...