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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:42 pm

Bought some Beyond Burger patties yesterday as part of some items grilled on our U.S. Labor Day long weekend. Like the Impossible Whopper and Beyond Famous Star, it was pretty hard to tell apart from the bovine “real” patties on a home made burger.

Eating a part of a grilled patty alone, however, does give away that it is an imposter. I’m quite ok with that since all my patties go on burgers.

So my personal verdict is:

A) healthy? - not any more than bovine patties with similar amount of saturated fat

B) fewer animals farmed and deleted in process? - seems unequivocally yes

C) lower carbon footprint? - the product cycle of procuring bovine vs. vegan products would suggest yes
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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:02 pm

With farm land at a premium and AGW rendering much of it less usable, the amount of grain input should also be considered. Beef lovers tend to compare grass fed beef with other products, but the majority of beef produced in the US is grain fed. Also, if you want to see the downside of grass feeding, look to the Amazon region.
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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:35 pm

Would like to see a product cycle CO2 footprint analysis for beef patty vs. simulated vegan patty in the U.S.. Comparing grass fed, grain, imported, U.S. raised, etc would be interesting.
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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:15 pm

iPlug wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:42 pm
A) healthy? - not any more than bovine patties with similar amount of saturated fat
The beyond burger has vegetable oils. That is a lot more healthy than the fats in animal tissues.
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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:55 pm

Don’t disagree that most vegetable oils are superior to animal ones, but I think in this particular case it’s much harder to say.

In general high level meat eaters have higher morbidity and mortality. But hard to tease out all the dietary specifics involved.

For fats we do know, better is monounsaturated (best/good) > polyunsaturated > saturated > trans fats (which are frankly quite bad).

I have so far not come across good study comparisons of specific animal oils vs. vegetable matching carbon chain length, oxidation and cis/trans state; so feel we are lacking data to reasonably understand if there are differences in healthiness of saturated animal oil vs. saturated vegetable oil.

Most animals fats are primarily saturated, whereas there are many healthier vegetable oils like olive, avocado, tree nuts, etc. and for this reason alone vegetable oils are almost always healthier.

Lots of folks get excited about coconut oil because it’s vegetable oil, so it must be good. But it’s mostly saturated fat and hence solid at room temp; also why it has one of the longest vegetable oil shelf lives. In terms of coconut oil healthiness, we would need good study data on this that is so far lacking. I would bet coconut oil is probably not a healthy choice.

Also unclear is if bovine or imposter vegan burger here generates more free radicals when cooked and so on.
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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:33 pm

I admittedly only briefly scanned the oils list. My impression was most mostly canola amongst a variety.
However: No trans fat, and no cholesterol

If was inclined to pick on the alt burger from a nutrition standpoint it would be the salt.
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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:57 pm

PBS Newhour Weekend had a couple of segments this weekend in their "The Future of Food" series:
Americans waste up to 40 percent of the food they produce
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ameri ... ey-produce
If food waste were a country, it would be the third-largest emitter of greenhouse gases behind China and the United States. . . .

Then another on a step France is taking to reduce food waste:
Is France’s groundbreaking food-waste law working?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/is-fr ... aw-working
. . . Since 2016, large grocery stores in the country have been banned from throwing away unsold food that could be given away. . . .

It's donated to charities instead.
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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:06 pm

First day of dove season yesterday.
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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:09 pm

Provocation :D .
Not a defender of animals here, but there might be someone to take the bait.
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Re: Carbon Footprint of Foods

Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:20 pm

I try to stick to long pig.
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