Study blames 2,200 deaths on traffic emissions
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Jimmydreams
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walterbays said:
YEAH BABY!!!
Let's keep giving subsidies to them thar oil companies!!! $18billion in related health costs ain't enough!!!!
/sarcastic rage off
Estimates? And what person have they determined has died from this? What death certificate has "Died from emissions" on it? Another "study." Just like studies that coffee causes cancer, wait...no it doesn't, well, sort of...wait, no it's good for you.
Talk about FUD. More hysteria backed by a "study" and "research."
Talk about FUD. More hysteria backed by a "study" and "research."
TRONZ
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Train said:
Get your car yet :?:
AndyH
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Train - What do you consider actionable, believable, legitimate information? From whom should it come?Train said:
xtremeflyer
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Train said:
People have to get their PhD's somehow and then be able to justify them ..
Stoaty
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Train said:
Yup, just a lot of "FUD". See for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particulate#Health_effects
Oops, that particulate matter really is bad for you, and it has been studied for a long time. Guess this is just like climate change... some people don't want to look at the evidence accumulating over decades when it goes against their beliefs.
AndyH
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Riiiiight. And since the info is completely false, we should tell the astronauts on the space station that it's OK to burn their checklists for heat if necessary, right? :shock: :lol:xtremeflyer said:Train said:
People have to get their PhD's somehow and then be able to justify them ..
Jimmydreams
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Train said:
Ok, Train.....you're right. It's ALL FUD.
So grab a pack of smokes, start the ICE of your choice, and sit in a closed garage with the engine running and smoke your cigarettes like a chimney....you'll be just fine. After all, the FUD can't hurt you, can it?
In all seriousness, what would it take to have you believe that pollution caused by idling vehicles isn't harmful? Please be specific, or else you'll be guilty of spreading "esitmates" and FUD.
I'd really like to know.
DaveinOlyWA
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ummm, the effects of particulates on humans is actually fairly well known and is NOT new news. in fact back in the 80's when CARB started, it was old news back then.
so, if you dispute this, where is your study that states sucking up exhaust does not reduce your lifespan?
so, if you dispute this, where is your study that states sucking up exhaust does not reduce your lifespan?
DaveinOlyWA
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Stoaty said:
holy sh**! nice link but now i will have nightmares
TRONZ
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We should lock Train in a garage with his car running. Some "studies" say he would die...
First study I've seen that focuses only on engine idle emissions - seems like a good reason to go auto start/stop on all vehicles.
That said - I still feel like the vast majority of these emissions (at least my nose tells me) that diesel emissions from small to midsize trucks are the worst offenders. They tend to have the most visible smoke and because their tailpipes tend to be under the truck seem to concentrate them at ground level.
Other "stinky" vehicles always tend to be older cars - any diesel older than 2008 (before manufactures starting selling "clean" diesels), cars more than 10 years old and motorcycles.
Even cold starts on the Prius are noticeably stinky - I wish that Toyota designed the car to not start the engine until the first time it needs to instead of always starting it 7 seconds after turning it on.
That said - I still feel like the vast majority of these emissions (at least my nose tells me) that diesel emissions from small to midsize trucks are the worst offenders. They tend to have the most visible smoke and because their tailpipes tend to be under the truck seem to concentrate them at ground level.
Other "stinky" vehicles always tend to be older cars - any diesel older than 2008 (before manufactures starting selling "clean" diesels), cars more than 10 years old and motorcycles.
Even cold starts on the Prius are noticeably stinky - I wish that Toyota designed the car to not start the engine until the first time it needs to instead of always starting it 7 seconds after turning it on.
TomT
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And then there are the 50,000 that die yearly from just driving automobiles...
TRONZ
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mogur said:
Probably all dizzy from Hypoxia.
TomT
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Actually, modern ICE engines are so clean that you can't commit suicide this way anymore...
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AndyH
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Excellent point! And there are bazillions of other ways large amount of people die each year.mogur said:
But does that mean that it's OK to add to the overall death rate?
I was voluntarily in uniform for 20+ years - I got to make a conscious decision to put myself at risk. My eight year old has NOT made a conscious decision to give his body to his country...or the auto industry...or the coal industry...
AndyH
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Utter BS. Jever herd of carbon monoxide? Caint get that out with a fancy catal-lytic converter...mogur said:
edit...
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/deer_2005/session2/2005_deer_mcdonald.pdf
TRONZ
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mogur said:
Scientific link pretty please.
Actually, mogur is right. With modern cars (w/cats) CO emissions are so low that it's much more difficult to die in an enclosed garage than it used to be.AndyH said:
http://chestjournal.chestpubs.org/content/115/2/580.long
http://www.carbonmonoxidekills.com/26/carbon_monoxide_emissions
Even without cats - modern cars produce a LOT less CO than they used to thanks to the wonders modern fuel injection.
None of this means that I would like to sit in an enclosed space with a running automobile, though! It may not kill you in a day - but that doesn't mean it's good for your long-term health!
