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Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:33 pm

Thad Allen on NPR after the news break.

NPR reports that BP has injected cement into the well. Mud may be next to 'compress' the cement.

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Re: BP Horizon Deepwater Oil Disaster : Open Thread

Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:25 pm

Saw this on TOD.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/us/08mms.html?_r=1&hp

...The clash between the agency’s environmentalists and engineers dominated a project meant to guide the agency into the deep-water age, a two-year study of new risks called an environmental assessment. Published in 2000, it framed the agency’s approach for the next decade. It reads like a document at war with itself.

It counted 151 well blowouts in the previous 25 years, about one every two months. It said a quarter had led to spills. It questioned the effectiveness of chemical dispersants and cited the difficulties of drilling relief wells. In noting that a deep-water blowout could take up to four months to control, it all but forecast the BP disaster: “Of particular concern is the ability to stop a blowout once it has begun.”

Then it quickly silenced its own alarm bells, casting spills as a “very low probability event” and noting that companies had “speculated” that deep-water blowouts might cap themselves (because of loose sediment on the ocean floor). It saw no need for new safeguards or an environmental impact statement, a more rigorous review that would have included public debate.

Why not do one, just to be safe?

“I’m sure industry would have been very nervous,” Mr. Oynes said, explaining that it took “some hand-holding” just to do the assessment. “If you start talking about an E.I.S., their alarm bells start going off a bit stronger: ‘Oh my God, what is going on here?’”...
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Re: BP Horizon Deepwater Oil Disaster : Open Thread

Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:19 pm

I just saw today that the spill was actually TWICE the oil they previously thought.
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Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:36 pm

Here is some sad related news. Matthew R. Simmons who has been in the news lately as a supporter of alternate theories died today.

Matthew R. Simmons, founder of the Ocean Energy Research Institute in Rockland, Maine, passed away suddenly on Sunday. He is survived by his wife, Ellen, and their five daughters. Mr. Simmons was also former chairman of Simmons & Company International. Details of services are pending. In lieu of flowers, the family asks that donations be made to the Ocean Energy Research Institute.


His book on Saudi Arabia - "Twilight in the Desert" is a must read.
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Re: BP Horizon Deepwater Oil Disaster : Open Thread

Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:28 am

NPR Science Friday: Science in the Gulf - Are researchers being shut out of gathering valuable data in the wake of the Gulf oil disaster?

On-air now and in the archive:
http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201008202

Oil and water samples are being confiscated and scientists are being tossed out of the Gulf by federal law enforcement and homeland security personnel. Scientists are being told that they can continue to work only if they sign non-disclosure agreements...

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Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:38 pm

As a famous police officer on "Southpark" often is heard saying:

"Nothing to see here, you looky lews, move along"

(quote credit: Officer Bob Brady)
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Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:09 pm

... only work ... if non-disclosure ...

That news makes even me angry!
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Re: BP Horizon Deepwater Oil Disaster : Open Thread

Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:39 pm

I agree, Gary. Do give the podcast a listen, though.

One thing I learned from the report is that because of the legal battle between the government and BP et al, each is collecting info to prove their case. Within that realm, there's 'dueling science at 20 paces'. Moving outside that realm, there's research for the benefit of all - and it appears THAT research is the 'collateral damage' so far. One speaker commented that research lost the battle during the Exxon Valdez spill as well.

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Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:16 pm

From: Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison [mailto:senator@hutchison.senate.gov]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:11 PM
To: xxxx@xxx.xx
Subject: Constituent Response From Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison

Dear Friend:

Thank you for contacting me regarding S. 3663, the Clean Energy Jobs and Oil Accountability Act. I welcome your thoughts and comments.

On July 28, 2010, Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) introduced S. 3663, which is the Majority Leader’s response to the BP oil spill. This 400-page bill was thrown together behind closed doors, with limited amendments and debate. This legislation would have a direct impact on the Gulf Coast region, but none of the Gulf Coast Senators were able to provide input into Senator Reid’s legislation.

According to a recent report by IHS Global Insight, the Gulf of Mexico offshore oil and gas industry employs approximately 400,000 people. The removal of liability caps in our coastal waters has the potential to eliminate thousands of these jobs and result in billions of dollars in lost tax revenues. In fact, many independent producers will no longer be able to operate in American waters and will likely be forced to relocate overseas.

I believe this to be unacceptable, especially because independent oil and gas companies account for nearly half of all oil and gas jobs offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. Independent oil and gas companies were responsible for $10 billion in federal, state and local industry revenue in 2009.

Additionally, this legislation would increase the per barrel tax by nearly 500 percent. Rather than use that additional revenue for its intended purpose of replenishing the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund, the Majority Leader plans to use the revenues as an offset for other programs. The purpose of the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund is to provide resources for research and development and response ability. I believe the Majority Leader is robbing this important fund to pay for other unrelated government programs.

This bill falls short of the mark by not removing the administration’s moratorium on new offshore developments. As rigs, production, and well-paying jobs depart our waters for other nations, continuing to implement a drilling moratorium only hurts our economy. Keeping the offshore off limits has increased our need for energy imports and is resulting in a less energy independent United States.

I am a cosponsor of the alternative legislation, S. 3643, the Oil Spill Response Improvement Act, which by contrast, is more responsible and less costly than the Majority Leader’s proposal. S. 3643 starts by addressing the root of the problem: the failures within our offshore regulatory system. The bill increases the strict liability cap for offshore projects through a pragmatic assessment based on risk factors such as water depth and the operator’s safety record. In addition, this proposal strengthens the Coast Guard’s ability to respond to oil spills and establishes a bipartisan approach to preventing a comparable disaster to the Deepwater Horizon disaster. This bill was introduced on July 22, 2010 by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and has been placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar.

Should the Senate consider this legislation before the 111th Congress adjourns, I will keep your thoughts in mind. I appreciate hearing from you, and I hope that you will not hesitate to contact me on any issue that is important to you.

Sincerely,
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Re: BP Horizon Deepwater Oil Disaster : Open Thread

Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:21 pm

In other words - irrespective of any recent disaster - let us continue "Business As Usual".

Anyway Reid is stupid. He should have introduced this bill 2 weeks after the blowup. Not now when the memories are already fading ...
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