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AndyH

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edit... formerly titled: "Look Where the Canadian Tar Sands Oil is Going..."

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-energy/energy/texans-mull-a-pipeline-for-canadian-tar-sands-oil/

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See what Rubin thinks ...

China, not U.S., will be tar sands’ market

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/commentary/jeff-rubins-smaller-world/china-not-us-will-be-tar-sands-market/article1572674/

The acquisition of a nine per cent share of the Athabasca tar sands’ marquee Syncrude operation by Sinopec (which is owned by the Chinese government) signals a new willingness on China’s part to sink billions into the future development of high-cost oil from tar sands. It coincides with the granting of a $20-billion soft loan by China to the Chávez regime in Venezuela, which will at least in part be repaid in oil from that country’s Orinoco tar sands.
 
That's only 9% though. The oil's already flowing into the US - in a 35 inch pipe.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...output-from-oil-sands-after-prices-climb.html

The Canadian companies are seeking to expand output from Alberta’s oil sands, the world’s biggest crude reserves outside Saudi Arabia, as crude prices climb 26 percent from last year. Cenovus, the oil company spun off last year from Encana Corp., today reiterated a plan to boost oil-sands production fivefold to 300,000 barrels a day by 2019.

Canadian oil sands are poised to be the top source of crude imports to the U.S. this year, according to a May report by IHS- Cambridge Energy Research Associates.

QUICK! We need another needle! :evil:
 
http://www.triplepundit.com/2010/04/bp-oil-sands-resolution-defeated-as-new-pipeline-moves-forward/

Show us the money...

BP shareholders overwhelmingly rejected a resolution that would have required the company to report on the environmental, financial and reputational risks of developing Canadian oil sands projects. The resolution was rejected by 85 percent of shareholders voting.

The news comes as a proposed pipeline to deliver crude from oil sands in Canada to Texas passed an important environmental hurdle.

I wonder if the shareholders would vote differently today now that there's no dividend thru the end of the year...
 
China is jostling for the time when oil gets supply constrained (does this poll better than peak oil ?). Canada will then be sending some oil to China - reversal of centuries old pattern of getting raw materials from east & sending finished goods would then be complete.
 
evnow said:
China is jostling for the time when oil gets supply constrained (does this poll better than peak oil ?). Canada will then be sending some oil to China - reversal of centuries old pattern of getting raw materials from east & sending finished goods would then be complete.

Folks with cash can make some very, very good investments during economic downturns. Apparently China's been doing a good job securing the oil they'll need in the near future. I wish I knew what OUR energy plan is...
 
evnow said:
China is jostling for the time when oil gets supply constrained (does this poll better than peak oil ?).
Oil is already constrained - gasoline consumption is slightly down from 6 years ago yet gasoline and crude oil prices are way up from then.

When oil spiked leading to the recession, there was no increase in output even at astronomical prices. Oil production has basically been flat for 5 years now.
 
drees said:
Oil is already constrained ...

Yes - I was just avoiding PO discussion here ...

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=215

ps : I don't think it is constrained now though ...

http://earlywarn.blogspot.com/2010/04/exceeding-2008-peak-of-oil-production.html

pps : BTW, I recommend that blog, if you don't already read it.
 
What happened to the fungibility argument? I thought the market was like one big pot that producers contribute to and consumers draw from. That's why the market didn't when Chavez says he won't sell to the U.S. As long as he sells to someone (which he has to).
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
What happened to the fungibility argument? I thought the market was like one big pot that producers contribute to and consumers draw from. That's why the market didn't when Chavez says he won't sell to the U.S. As long as he sells to someone (which he has to).

It is fungible now - since a lot of oil still flows through "free" markets. But private deals happen all the time - and if that gets too big, the "free" market will shrink.

BTW, I do expect that when the price hits new highs and there is obvious supply constraint, nations will start banning / regulating exports. Yes, even US - afterall it is a national security matter ;)

ps : If you have looked at international oil diplomacy - you will see major changes after Soviet collapse. Like India had to do major market reforms to try to earn enough "hard" foreign exchange to buy oil - or Cuba had to make do without much oil (now they have a new benefactor in Chavez). Until the collapse, Soviets used to supply oil cheap to friendly countries.
 
evnow said:
AndyH said:
I wish I knew what OUR energy plan is...

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I'm hoping the 'other than NeoCon' elements in the government are working on Plan B. :(

Thanks for the Early Warning blog link. Cool work!

The stuff has links in it, though, and those shouldn't get near folks with adult-onset ADD...'cause that led to this bit about WikiLeaks http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-in-spotlight.html and the TED talk by Mr. Assange. Doubly painful as it's been less than 20 hours since I watched the leaked video from Reuters crew killing. There was a link to books by William Gibson that I didn't know existed - and how one suggests that the US is in a 'cold civil war'. http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2008/08/money-shot-william-gibsons-spook.html

Whew. Thanks again! :shock:
 
Secretary Clinton on tar sands pipelines...

http://journalstar.com/news/local/article_2ca64efe-dc9a-11df-a210-001cc4c03286.html
The U.S. State Department was getting a torrent of requests for clarification on Wednesday as a transcript of Friday remarks by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in San Francisco circulated among advocates and opponents of the Keystone XL pipeline.
Responding to questions after her speech to the Commonwealth Club, Clinton appeared to tip off pipeline watchers to the likelihood the federal government will approve the project.
"We're either going to be dependent on dirty oil from the Gulf or dirty oil from Canada," she said, in part.
"We're not yet signed off on it. But we are inclined to do so ...," she also said.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/10/22/state-dept-clintons-words-on-keystone-stand/
US State Dept. spokesman Mark Toner was asked to respond to criticism of Hillary Clinton’s comments that she is “inclined to” okay the Keystone XL pipeline even though the approval process is still underway.

Here was part of the exchange at the press briefing yesterday:

MR. TONER: Alberta Clipper pipeline was what the questioner asked about. She talked about – she – her response reflected the status of the Keystone XL pipeline, which is still under deliberation.

QUESTION: Right, correct. But she said that they were – that the Department is inclined to approve it. Did she not?

MR. TONER: She did.

QUESTION: Yes, okay. Well, there is some concern being expressed by lawmakers, environmentalists, and others that this prejudges the results of the review of – her comments.

MR. TONER: Well, my comments are that she – I think she also followed that with an assessment about the fact that we need cleaner energy sources and referred to the President’s agenda to seek cleaner energy sources, but until that time, we need to – frankly, to find energy sources in other areas as well, be they clean or dirty. And her words obviously stand.

Sierra Club Campaign - Tell Sec. Clinton - Tar Sands is Not the Answer!
https://secure2.convio.net/sierra/s...ction&id=5063&autologin=true&s_src=210LCOAN01
 
http://www.tarsandsaction.org/

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McKibben was amongst those arrested today, along with the co-founder of NRDC and former White House official Gus Speth, gay rights activist Lt. Dan Choi, author and activist Mike Tidwell, Firedoglake founder Jane Hamsher, and many others.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5QqsLsMroM[/youtube]

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Law As It Relates To Time
When Murder Becomes Legal

Murder is illegal - within a certain time frame. If someone puts a gun to your head and pulls the trigger, you are dead instantly. That is illegal. If someone poisons you with a fast acting poison and you die instantly, that is murder. If someone poisons you with a slow acting poison and you die within a week, that is still murder. If someone poisons you with a poison that acts very slowly and you die in one month, that is still murder. There have been cases of someone poisoning their spouse with lead over a period of a year or more. These people were also convicted of murder. What about poison over five years? Is that murder? What about poison over ten years? Is that murder? What about twenty years? We are all participating in a toxic lifestyle that is basically killing other (future) humans over a period of time. Strangely enough, at some point in our world, time allows murder. If you consciously participated in one of the above (short time frame) murders, you would be convicted as a participant in murder. Yet we are all participating in long time frame murders every day. We all use, burn, purchase and discard toxic materials, systems and products. Time simply provides a distance so...

We don't have to see the victims fall.

Michael Reynolds, Earthship Volume 3, Page 78.
 
Bogus pro-pipeline Twitter accounts deleted...

http://understory.ran.org/2011/08/0...-twitter-accounts-to-show-grassroots-support/

The office of a former Nebraska Senator working for the American Petroleum Institute appears to have set up more than a dozen fake Twitter accounts to promote the KeystoneXL tar sands pipeline.

Repeat after me: Tobacco smoke is good for me. There is no hole in the ozone. Coal-fired power plants are not responsible for acid rain. There's no way humans can be changing the climate. Electric cars will never catch on - the future is hydrogen. The American Petroleum Institute, BP, Exxon-Mobil, and other petroleum professionals are the oracles modern humanity should follow into the future. :p

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oR-foh2tVM[/youtube]
 
Arrests continue. DC park police not following their agreed-upon 'catch and release' plan - protesters remain in jail to deter further protest (it's not working. ;) ). Women relieved of jackets and sweaters in jail - kept in 'cold storage' while men's cells are kept hot.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4YkvHBqp7U[/youtube]

“We the prisoners being held in the Central Cell Block of the D.C. Jail need company and encourage the continuation of the protests against the tar sands pipeline. Help us stop this disastrous proposal! I’ve held numerous positions and public office in Washington but my current position feels like one of the most important.”–Gus Speth
 
I'm sorry but I find such arguments disingenuous...

AndyH said:
We are all participating in a toxic lifestyle that is basically killing other (future) humans over a period of time. Strangely enough, at some point in our world, time allows murder.
 
mogur said:
I'm sorry but I find such arguments disingenuous...

AndyH said:
We are all participating in a toxic lifestyle that is basically killing other (future) humans over a period of time. Strangely enough, at some point in our world, time allows murder.

Really? Why or how?
 
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