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2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:20 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-GArCwNYkA
2018 New Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime Plug In Hybrid

New Leaf Drivetrain Specifications
Battery
Type Li-ion battery
Capacity 40kWh
Electric motor
Maximum output 147 HP @ 3,283 9,795 RPM
Maximum torque 236 LB-FT @ 0 3,283 RPM
Performance
Cruising range 150 miles
Charging time (normal charging) 16 hours (3kW)
8 hours (6kW)
Charging time from alert to 80% (Quick Charging) 40 minutes
Curb weight 3,433 – 3,508 Lbs
Gross vehicle weight 4,453 Lbs
Price: 29 990 $

Toyota Prius Prime Plug-In Drivetrain Specifications
Battery
Type Li-ion battery
Capacity 8.8-kWh
Electric motor & gasoline engine 1.8 L
Maximum output 121 @ 5200
Maximum torque 105 @ 3600
Performance
Cruising range 11.3-gallon gas to 600-mile range
22 miles of electric-only driving
Charging time (normal charging) 2 hours (3kW)
5 hours (6kW)
Curb weight 3365 Lbs
Price: 30 000 $

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:25 pm

I own the Prime and a 24 kWh LEAF. As a pair they work really well together for my household.
As a single car, probably not the LEAF
As a replacement for the 2nd car, it depends what the first car is and the duties required.

People bit with the EV bug do not really appreciate the Prime, but it is a study in efficiency and value. I use it for my 90 mile work commute and usually burn about 0.75 gallons of petrol and ~ 6.3 kWh of my PV generation every r/t. When we take it on 250 mile one way trips starting from a full battery (6.3 kWh used) we get ~ 75 mpg
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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:44 pm

Autotrend wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-GArCwNYkA
Charging time (normal charging) 2 hours (3kW)
5 hours (6kW)

I'm guessing that should read:
Charging time(240v 3kW) 2hrs
5hrs (normal 120v charging)
I'm not sure I'd personally like to have the Prime as my only EV but along with the Leaf it would be a nice pair. The Prime(to replace a regular 10-year-old Prius for my wife and long road trips) and the Leaf for everything else <50-70 miles.
I would really have liked the Prime to have a larger capacity battery, more like the Volt, but that would have probably been to radical for the stoggy people at Toyota :roll:
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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:05 pm

Certainly room for both in the market. Not sure there's a "vs" here. Interesting to see Prius having a Li-ion pack. Weren't they using NiMH? Or am I behind the times?
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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:10 pm

22 miles of EV only range is laughable, though not as laughable as that of its precedessor which had IIRC less than 10 miles' of pure EV range. It was targeting one specific market: California, for the HOV exemption stickers.

As mentioned already, the two aren't really in competition with each other, anymore than a Prius Prime is in competition with a bro-truck.
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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:17 pm

RonDawg wrote:22 miles of EV only range is laughable, though not as laughable as that of its precedessor which had IIRC less than 10 miles' of pure EV range. It was targeting one specific market: California, for the HOV exemption stickers.

As mentioned already, the two aren't really in competition with each other, anymore than a Prius Prime is in competition with a bro-truck.

It's 25 miles EPA, and 20 miles covers the routine daily driving needs of more than half of U.S. drivers, while also being far more efficient when using the ICE than the Volt (owing to lower weight etc.), and having the ability to be most people's go anywhere car, which the LEAF can't be.

Compared to the Volt it's base-priced $6k less, while the 2016 taxable income (after deductions and exemptions) to qualify for the full fed. credits the Prime and Volt get were about $33k and $49k respectively, so far more people can both afford it and get the full tax credit available for it. Nor is there any need to install a 240V circuit and buy an L2 EVSE to take advantage of the car's full AER using only overnight charging. Hardly laughable, just a different and much less expensive PHEV than the Volt, that can satisfy the majority of U.S. driver's needs. Whether the Prime also satisfies their wants is an individual decision, but given the number of satisfied Prius owners out there, there's a large potential market for cars that are energy-efficient appliances.
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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:48 pm

Interesting to see Prius having a Li-ion pack. Weren't they using NiMH? Or am I behind the times?


They still use NiMH packs in the regular Priuses, excepting the Eco, AFAIK. They started using lithium packs with the gen 3 PIP.
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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:29 pm

GRA wrote:
RonDawg wrote:22 miles of EV only range is laughable, though not as laughable as that of its precedessor which had IIRC less than 10 miles' of pure EV range. It was targeting one specific market: California, for the HOV exemption stickers.

As mentioned already, the two aren't really in competition with each other, anymore than a Prius Prime is in competition with a bro-truck.

It's 25 miles EPA, and 20 miles covers the routine daily driving needs of more than half of U.S. drivers, while also being far more efficient when using the ICE than the Volt (owing to lower weight etc.), and having the ability to be most people's go anywhere car, which the LEAF can't be.

Compared to the Volt it's base-priced $6k less, while the 2016 taxable income (after deductions and exemptions) to qualify for the full fed. credits the Prime and Volt get were about $33k and $49k respectively, so far more people can both afford it and get the full tax credit available for it. Nor is there any need to install a 240V circuit and buy an L2 EVSE to take advantage of the car's full AER using only overnight charging. Hardly laughable, just a different and much less expensive PHEV than the Volt, that can satisfy the majority of U.S. driver's needs. Whether the Prime also satisfies their wants is an individual decision, but given the number of satisfied Prius owners out there, there's a large potential market for cars that are energy-efficient appliances.


The 8.8 kWh battery in the Prime is eligible for ~ a $4,200 federal tax credit. I bought my Prime at a discount, and after combined fed and state tax credits paid about $17k for the car. Phenomenal deal for an exceptional car with next gen safety features, amazing efficiency, Toyota reliability, and driver assist (DRCC is *great*) ... but it is not a full time EV. Pick your poison.
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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:34 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Interesting to see Prius having a Li-ion pack. Weren't they using NiMH? Or am I behind the times?


They still use NiMH packs in the regular Priuses, excepting the Eco, AFAIK. They started using lithium packs with the gen 3 PIP.

And in some markets in the Prius wagon ("v") starting from 2012 IIRC
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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf vs Toyota Prius Prime

Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:46 pm

RonDawg wrote:As mentioned already, the two aren't really in competition with each other, anymore than a Prius Prime is in competition with a bro-truck.


Umm actually...
When I bought my Leaf, I seriously considered the Volt. Had the Prime been an option at the time, I would have seriously considered that too. These cars absolutely compete for customers. Most people I've talked to (okay, not exactly scientific study) who considered a Volt or a Leaf also considered other options in the BEV/PHEV/HEV space. Yes, there are BEV fanboys and there are Hybrid fanboys. But many consumers who get interested in this space aren't already committed to one solution over the other.

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