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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:25 pm

That wouldn't be "classic" for Nissan. They prefer to over-promise and under-deliver.

On a related note, I'm negotiating to lease a Bolt Premiere. I'll still go for a 2018 Leaf if the tax credit is confirmed safe well before 12/31/17, but otherwise I'll be driving a Bolt.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:05 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:That wouldn't be "classic" for Nissan. They prefer to over-promise and under-deliver.

On a related note, I'm negotiating to lease a Bolt Premiere. I'll still go for a 2018 Leaf if the tax credit is confirmed safe well before 12/31/17, but otherwise I'll be driving a Bolt.
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A Bolt is listed in NY at 25 cents a mile for a 10k miles/year lease.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:10 pm

No, I don't follow the lease steals for two reasons: I'd be leasing locally, so they'd be nothing more than comparison tools, and I see lease offers almost daily in the Bolt forum. Second, I would want an optioned-out car, not one optioned for a low price ad. If I can get this Premiere for $300/month, with the front seat skins swapped for cloth, I'll still consider it. Failing that, 2018 Leaf SV here I come.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:44 pm

LeftieBiker wrote: Failing that, 2018 Leaf SV here I come.

I take it you have a lease offer for under $300 a month from a Nissan dealer ?

I've always found lease offers interesting, if for no other reason than they present a riddle to unravel. This offer from Toyota for a Highlander valued at ~ $31k after a $2k downpayment is based on a $23k residual. So $10k of manufacturer estimated depreciation costs $3,000+ 299*35+ TTL + dealer garbage fees + lease return fees spread over 36 months.

I'll be quite surprised if Nissan estimates depreciation at anything less than 50% but I'm happy to be be shown wrong.



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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:16 pm

I expect the early Leaf leases to be too expensive. I can afford to wait until Spring, or even until Memorial Day weekend. I'm also willing to pay a bit more for the Leaf's comfort than for the Bolt's long range and high HP.

That Highlander lease offer makes for a good Leaf comparison tool.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:17 pm

LeftieBiker wrote: That Highlander lease offer makes for a good Leaf comparison tool.

I could not find a Toyota car expensive enough, so I picked an SUV ;-)
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:31 pm

Just remember that I'd get $9500 off the similarly-priced Leaf.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:54 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Just remember that I'd get $9500 off the similarly-priced Leaf.

I know, that is why I picked a $33k car rather than a $40k car.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:12 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:No, I don't follow the lease steals for two reasons: I'd be leasing locally, so they'd be nothing more than comparison tools, and I see lease offers almost daily in the Bolt forum. Second, I would want an optioned-out car, not one optioned for a low price ad. If I can get this Premiere for $300/month, with the front seat skins swapped for cloth, I'll still consider it. Failing that, 2018 Leaf SV here I come.


I too would like to pick up a Bolt, I just cannot afford them unfortunately and I won't be able to afford the new Leaf. My current plan is to wait until they start showing up used for 50% or more off MSRP (if current EV resale trends continue) and pick one up then. Failing that, I'll probably end up getting a first gen Leaf since they are so cheap and I rarely drive more than 10 - 20 miles a day (at the moment at least).

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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:41 pm

After considering this for awhile and weighing "wants" vs. "needs", I will most likely purchase my 2015 lease and invest some of the remainder in a PV solar system for the house. The 2015 lease has got a reasonable residual, the most lizardly battery so far, and for the upcoming year I really don't need any more range. For 2019 I may need a longer-range car. This should give time to see how this new era of EV competition begins to sort itself out.
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