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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:15 pm

The center console is an issue for me. I was concerned about it from the pictures. One of the major decisions points on my 2013 Leaf was being able to drive it without my right knee banging against the console.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:33 pm

baustin wrote:The center console is an issue for me. I was concerned about it from the pictures. One of the major decisions points on my 2013 Leaf was being able to drive it without my right knee banging against the console.


I can see it being an issue for taller people. I am simply nowhere near tall enough. I don't even notice it. But I do know one person who is so tall that even the seat all the way back does not give him enough leg room. He is driving a LEAF now.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:59 pm

I drove a 2018 SV with Tech Package today, and the center console and uneven armrest heights weren't an issue for me. What was an issue was the smell. My 2013 smelled strongly of rubber for over a year, but I preferred that to my housemate's PIP, which smelled strongly of uncured automotive paint (and still does). The Leaf I drove today smelled of both. It was nauseating. I also found the steering wheel button layout horrible for doing anything beyond activating and setting the Cruise Control. The power was what I'd call "nicely adequate," especially above 40mph. The e-Pedal was nice, too. The Pro Pilot wouldn't fully activate. The handling was a bit more crisp than my car, not mushy. The suspension wasn't very compliant going over road seams, but it was better than the Bolt.

I'm still looking for a car that meets all of my needs. The Leaf SV could easily have been it, but since I now rely on the Around View in parking lots and even parking at home, and the SV no longer has AV, it isn't. I may start looking for a perfect 2015 SV with Premium and QC, as the local Leaf-certified dealership won't even order a Leaf at all, much less to my specs. So much for Nissan's hyped "reservation" crap. My hand stays down.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:36 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
baustin wrote:The center console is an issue for me. I was concerned about it from the pictures. One of the major decisions points on my 2013 Leaf was being able to drive it without my right knee banging against the console.


I can see it being an issue for taller people. I am simply nowhere near tall enough. I don't even notice it. But I do know one person who is so tall that even the seat all the way back does not give him enough leg room. He is driving a LEAF now.


They were making seat brackets for previous Leafs, that more than likely will work on this year also, to extend the seat even farther.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:37 am

ILETRIC wrote:Here is the worst part: you cant's sit and drive in the driver's seat. There is NO PLACE to put your right knee. It is squeezed by the very intruding, and might I say unnecessary center console wall you cannot negotiate. My 5 min drive was a true torture, rubbing against it and some sort of protrusion running along the top of it like a sick cherry on a bad pie.


It is absurd to have that rigid and non-functional buttress intrude into the cabin legroom space the way it does. Because of some arbitrary "design language"? Gah.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:04 am

Nubo wrote:
ILETRIC wrote:Here is the worst part: you cant's sit and drive in the driver's seat. There is NO PLACE to put your right knee. It is squeezed by the very intruding, and might I say unnecessary center console wall you cannot negotiate. My 5 min drive was a true torture, rubbing against it and some sort of protrusion running along the top of it like a sick cherry on a bad pie.


It is absurd to have that rigid and non-functional buttress intrude into the cabin legroom space the way it does. Because of some arbitrary "design language"? Gah.


There is no "non functionality" here. Its literally jam packed with buttons, switches, cupholders and cubby holes. The ideology is rather transparent.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:01 pm

ILETRIC wrote:Here is the worst part: you cant's sit and drive in the driver's seat. There is NO PLACE to put your right knee. It is squeezed by the very intruding, and might I say unnecessary center console wall you cannot negotiate. My 5 min drive was a true torture, rubbing against it and some sort of protrusion running along the top of it like a sick cherry on a bad pie.


I had an extensive test drive of a 2018 Leaf S Friday. The center console was not an issue for me. It did not even know this could be a problem for some until I just read your post. For reference, I'm 6'1".

I've also read many people complaining about the driving wheel not being telescoping. I could adapt to the driving position without issue.

ILETRIC wrote:The display with the analog speed dial looks like they're not finished with it, it's just temporary, and we'll get it done maybe next year. I could hardly tell -- or see -- what speed I was traveling. It was unbelievable. Granted, I did not play with possible other configs, it there are any, or illumination. It looks real bad, period. Very bad. The Leaf 1 was much refined as compared to this bungled, perhaps thought as "retro" display,


Agreed, it's a step backward.

ILETRIC wrote:Rear seats fit 5"4' person. At 5"11' you're hitting the ceiling, like Model S. Rear, in fact the entire car feels cramped, definitely more cramped than Leaf 1. I cannot envision the 5th person in the rear, other than a small child.


I could sit in the rear with my head slightly inclined. It would work for small trips but not for long ones. What surprised me is that there's almost no space to put your feet under the front seat. It's better on the passenger side but on the driver side, yikes!

Agreed that this is a four person car. There's no headrest in the middle. Having been rear ended twice in the last two years, I can say that headrests are essential. The Bolt also does not have a middle headrest.

The rear passenger area of the Bolt has more space but the trunk is smaller. So what do you value more? Trunk or rear passenger?

ILETRIC wrote:The steering is mushy, mushier than Leaf 1. Certainly no comparison the just about anything on the market today. It felt like a 50's Detroit car. Adding to the list the 150 mile range, I realized that Bolt in comparison is MUCH MORE REFINED vehicle, with 80 extra more miles, super-responsive steering, cool display, but overtightened suspension (for my taste).


I borrowed a 2017 Bolt from work to drive to the Nissan dealership, so I was able to compare them fairly closely. I'm not an aggressive driver. I found both cars to be fine to drive.

The Leaf is quieter. The Bolt has a middle to high pitch whine when it accelerates at low speed. The Leaf does not have that.

ILETRIC wrote:I must report that GM's Mary Barra listened and fixed the Bolt front seats, as I expected she would. No more Bolt seat issues, folks!


I'm really surprised by this. I tried three Bolts in the last month and all we very uncomfortable to sit in. The seats are too narrow and have tall bolsters. If you have a wide pelvis, it's not good.

I was hoping that the 2018 models would be better but two Chevy dealers told me the seats were the same, so I did not try an '18.

Can you provide more details? Trim, year, etc?

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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:08 pm

For those of you that want the digital speedometer option in the LEAF2, you just need to go to the screen that has it.

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It seems that the center console issue only affects those that are larger than the 95th percentile human, or have larger mid-section girth.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:19 pm

For those of you that want the digital speedometer option in the LEAF2, you just need to go to the screen that has it.


Post a picture of that screen up with Pro Pilot engaged. If we have to choose between having a digital Speedo and using pro Pilot, that's a complete Fail.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:32 pm

If you have the cruise control activated, then the speed is displayed at the top of the screen, below the pictograph of the distance setting.
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