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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:13 pm

I'm in, but not until May. The tax credit is not a deal killer for me, because I spend way more on wine :lol: :lol:
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:45 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:You can get LDW on the LT. I'm not sure about AEB.


maybe... maybe not. I would double check the differences in terminology and verify exact what each "lane" feature does since they are called different things. AEB is definitely only available on premium and for whatever reason the configurator requires you to add two packages instead of just one so its a $1,000 dollar option
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:00 pm

IIRC the Premiere comes with Driver Confidence I standard, so I think you are only adding one package for DC II. Likewise the Premiere comes standard with the (optional on LT) heated seats and wheel.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:07 pm

One thing that gives me pause about an early 2018 LEAF reservation/purchase is the growing feeling that the car isn't going to be well-received by the market; primarily because 200 miles range has become established in the public psyche as the new bar. I'm fine with 150 but I've got a feeling Nissan is going to be incentivizing like crazy to bridge the gap to 2019 when they can compete on specs. Even more so if the tax credit fades.

Though it would be inconvenient I might just turn in my lease in March and take a few months to see how things pan out. Interesting times.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:08 pm

You do have a good point. If the credit stays, but is still somehow threatened, it will be a rather unpleasant game of Tax Credit Chicken for many of us...
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:40 am

The latest deal I heard on the Bolt LT was the offer of employee pricing at $36,000 on a $42,000 Moroney MSRP. They were also sold, in addition, a $3000 extended warranty. Some of what inflated the MSRP was tinted windows, etching glass, and quick charge outlet.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:04 am

Nubo wrote:One thing that gives me pause about an early 2018 LEAF reservation/purchase is the growing feeling that the car isn't going to be well-received by the market; primarily because 200 miles range has become established in the public psyche as the new bar. I'm fine with 150 but I've got a feeling Nissan is going to be incentivizing like crazy to bridge the gap to 2019 when they can compete on specs. Even more so if the tax credit fades.

Though it would be inconvenient I might just turn in my lease in March and take a few months to see how things pan out. Interesting times.


A valid concern... BUT

we already know that Nissan has been discounting LEAFs heavily for a long time and the market suggests that that will continue especially in the face of real competition. The more discounted Bolts become, the lower the LEAF will be. I am guessing come Jan, Bolts will be right back up to their $36-42 K range all in.

Your lease ends in March, you are aware you can extend that right? or is that no longer available (I would consider that unlikely)

The other thing to consider is a better likelihood that the residual of the lease will be over market 3 years from now allowing another chance to negotiate downwards. Now, Nissan has gotten much smarter about that. My residual on my 2016 S30 is $9100 and in Nov, 2019 I am guessing that is right about where the market would be on that car (assuming I am in the 45,000 mile range... :? )
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:50 am

Nubo wrote:One thing that gives me pause about an early 2018 LEAF reservation/purchase is the growing feeling that the car isn't going to be well-received by the market; primarily because 200 miles range has become established in the public psyche as the new bar.


The market shows that while there is a lot of talk about 200+ being the new normal, but it's all talk. The subtext is "Yes , I want a 200+ mile EV, but I want it at a price point that does not yet exist." Nissan knows the entry level EV market better than anyone, and knows that an under $30K EV before incentives is the key consideration for the typical EV buyer today.

Price is the key consideration for the majority of EV buyers today, and Nissan will do quite well with their mid-range LEAF with or without the federal tax credit.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:57 am

I'm very surprised at all the people saying that if the tax credit is removed that it won't affect their decision much. How can that be? A $7500 price change for ANY car would be a deal breaker for me.

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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:03 am

OrientExpress wrote:The market shows that while there is a lot of talk about 200+ being the new normal, but it's all talk. The subtext is "Yes , I want a 200+ mile EV, but I want it at a price point that does not yet exist." Nissan knows the entry level EV market better than anyone, and knows that an under $30K EV before incentives is the key consideration for the typical EV buyer today.

Price is the key consideration for the majority of EV buyers today, and Nissan will do quite well with their mid-range LEAF with or without the federal tax credit.


It's funny how much this subtext shows up, even on this very thread. Every time someone refers to the Bolt as "overpriced", this is exactly what they are saying. The Bolt's price is actually very impressive if you consider the huge battery you get in the car. In order to achieve what they did, GM had no choice but to cheapen the interior (among other compromises).

I like Nissan's approach. But I think even they realize that the 2018 Leaf is geared more towards the Japanese and European markets than the US market. The world is bigger than the US. Much bigger. How many 2018 Leafs has Nissan sold worldwide through November? I would say the car is already a hit!

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