edatoakrun
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:20 am

OrientExpress wrote:...It is best that these early LEAF adopters move on to another marque and become that marques problem...

Unfortunately, only a few of them have also moved on to other forums to post their repetitive and uninformed hysterical rants.

Jalopnik below accurately describes why few 2018 LEAF buyers are as likely to be committed as some other BEV manufacturers' rabid enthusiasts are:

The 2018 Nissan Leaf Is An Electric Car For Calm, Rational Adults

Ask any random person to name an electric car, chances are really good they’ll say the name “Tesla.” Tell them to point to the first electric car they happen to see while out in the world, and it’s much more likely their finger will be targeted at a Nissan Leaf. That’s because despite Tesla capturing the mind and imagination of everyone who talks about EVs, the Leaf is the most-sold battery-electric vehicle. Now, Nissan has made it a lot better. But better doesn’t exactly mean exciting.

The Leaf has had a nice long run without a major update, but it’s clearly showing its age. The range, which has improved from about 75 miles when it came out in 2011 (though Nissan liked to claim 100 miles) to 107 miles for the outgoing 2016 model is a lot less than the recent crop of 200+ mile EVs like the Chevy Bolt and the Tesla Model 3, whenever they actually start making those for real.

So, while Tesla has been hogging all the attention, the Leaf has been quietly turning electrons into human-ass transport for over seven years. It’s ready for a refresh.

The 2018 model is still built on the same basic platform, but nearly everything on that platform has changed: there’s an all-new body, a denser battery pack (40 kWh instead of 24 kWh) giving a range of about 150 miles, more power (up to 147 horsepower), and now the Leaf has some limited assisted driving features as well.

It’s a dramatically improved car, but the car itself is anything but dramatic. The new 2018 Leaf is a well-thought-out, carefully designed electric vehicle that will likely do its job very capably, but is not exactly a car I can picture anybody actually desiring.

Sure, I think a lot of people will get out laptops and pads of paper and do some very careful cross-shopping and make long pro/con lists and eventually come to the careful, tedious conclusion that, yes, the 2018 Nissan Leaf makes the most sense.

I think that’s pretty much what passes for desire for this car...

https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-nissan-le ... 1821094905
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:42 am

WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:It is clear you are not interested in the slightest, so why clog up this topic with saying so?

For the same reason you posted in this thread even though it is clearly directed to those who have decided to buy the car, not people like you who might.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:26 am

SageBrush wrote:
rcm4453 wrote:
WetEV wrote:
Nissan has a history of large discounts from MSRP. $30k MSRP means well under $30k actual selling price.

Nissan Leaf is a very reliable car, and I'm on track for over 100k miles on my battery.


Well you wouldn't be saying that if you had the crappy 30kwh battery!

Obviously Nissan took a huge step backwards with 2016 & 2017 Leaf 30kwh batteries. Reminds me of the crappy canary battery they used from 2011- March of 2013.

Nissan just doesn't know what they're doing when it comes to the battery portion of the Leaf.

He also lives in Seattle, WA.

It's the other 98% of the country that agrees that the Nissan battery is poor.


This is a comment coming from someone living in Minnesota and you still think the weather is the only thing that matters??
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:11 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:This is a comment coming from someone living in Minnesota and you still think the weather is the only thing that matters??

I think that defenders of the LEAF battery that live in atypically moderate, let alone cool, climates should realize that their LEAF battery experience is likely to be a lot more favorable than the rest of the country.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:59 pm

SageBrush wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:This is a comment coming from someone living in Minnesota and you still think the weather is the only thing that matters??

I think that defenders of the LEAF battery that live in atypically moderate, let alone cool, climates should realize that their LEAF battery experience is likely to be a lot more favorable than the rest of the country.


Not a realistic statement. I have PLENTY around me who are no less upset over how their packs are degrading.
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:48 pm

I've only skimmed bits but of this thread and there seems to be a lot of discussion and arguing here with very few (or nobody, so far) committing to buying but a few possibly leasing, provided the EV tax credit isn't killed before they begin leasing/buying.

Perhaps there should be a new thread for who ISN'T planning on buying or leasing an '18 Leaf along w/why and other factors (e.g. market dynamics, pricing, competitors, etc.)? That would probably be most folks here on MNL, esp. given we don't know lease details, and battery degradation characteristics. I suspect quite a few are waiting to hear about the longer range version while many others are content w/what they have now.

Side note: For folks who live outside CA, CARB emission states and stronger EV markets, the choices of available pure BEVs can be very limited, beyond Leaf. This guy who lives in Louisville, KY which he says has a population of 1.27 million at https://www.tivocommunity.com/community ... t-11292195 (you need to be a free member of TCF to see it) claimed he had only had these choices in Aug 2017: Leaf, Tesla Model S and X.

The rest were one of these: n/a in his state or not available for sale locally. He said he checked inventory of 4 Nissan dealers in his metro area and they showed none in their inventory. And, he said he'd have to drive 1.5 hours to Cincinnati to test drive a Tesla.

Eventually, he tried seeking out a Bolt at a Chevy dealer and struck out on the 1st one: https://www.tivocommunity.com/community ... t-11293502 and finally test drove one about a week later: https://www.tivocommunity.com/community ... t-11299655. But still, slim pickings for him and probably quite a bit of the US.

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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:28 pm

Maybe we should do a post on who is really secretly waiting for the 60 kwh LEAF and when it might be available. I was told Early 2019 but have read several things that seem to imply anywhere from late Summer to mid Fall 2018?
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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:31 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Maybe we should do a post on who is really secretly waiting for the 60 kwh LEAF and when it might be available. I was told Early 2019 but have read several things that seem to imply anywhere from late Summer to mid Fall 2018?

The Nissan corporate marketing guy who presented to the SF BayLeafs group this past Septebmer was only willing to say model year 2019 and not be more specific. That leaves a lot of wiggle room.

(Side note: https://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/21/why ... cant-driv/ is probably one of the craziest way too early for model year cases I've heard of.)

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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:19 am

cwerdna wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Maybe we should do a post on who is really secretly waiting for the 60 kwh LEAF and when it might be available. I was told Early 2019 but have read several things that seem to imply anywhere from late Summer to mid Fall 2018?

The Nissan corporate marketing guy who presented to the SF BayLeafs group this past Septebmer was only willing to say model year 2019 and not be more specific. That leaves a lot of wiggle room.

(Side note: https://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/21/why ... cant-driv/ is probably one of the craziest way too early for model year cases I've heard of.)


Nissan Leaf has not (at least not in recent memory) been released in the fall like many vehicles, but instead seems to be released after the first of the year.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: Committed LEAF 2018 Buyer: Raise Your Hand

Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:49 am

Evoforce wrote:Nissan Leaf has not (at least not in recent memory) been released in the fall like many vehicles, but instead seems to be released after the first of the year.

Indeed.

First worldwide delivery was in mid-December 2010 (2011 model year). Model year 2013 didn't become available until early in calendar year 2013. I was at the preview event in Jan 2013 w/a pre-production '13: http://sfbayleafs.org/past-events/2013/ ... ea-reveal/ when it came down to San Jose.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... r-that-bad from Dec 2015 says
Shipping of the new 2016 Nissan LEAF from Nissan’s Vehicle Assembly Plant in Smyrna, Tennessee, began in November, and because shipping times to California are among the longest in the country, many dealers on the west coast did not have units arrive until later in the month.

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