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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:29 pm

EVDRIVER wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Of course Tesla in unprofitable. Just look at what they have built in the last year or so:
A Gigafactory !!
A completely re-tooled car factory
A rapidly expanding SuperCharger network
R&D of an electric Semi and the Model Y

They are poring every penny of profit (and more) into growth.

Amazon has done the same, for years.



Don't bother with Lorenfb , he is here only to troll Tesla and astroturf.


He’s over the top, yes, but it’s ironic that you’d say that on a forum dedicated to the Nissan Leaf in a thread where the OP admitted to only being here to troll Leaf owners as revenge for trolling he saw on Tesla forums.

Just ignore the guy. His breathless ::concern:: for Tesla’s financial well-being is just another fishing tactic. Get the hook out of your cheek.

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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:08 pm

jonathanfields4ever wrote: a thread where the OP admitted to only being here to troll Leaf owners as revenge for trolling he saw on Tesla forums.

This thread ? Then you are talking about me, and you are an idiot. I participate in this forum because I own a LEAF and I criticize Nissan and its battery because I think Nissan customer support is awful and the battery is a poor design foisted on the ignorant.

You are one of the suckers come lately, which is fine. It was your money. Other potential buyers may re-evaluate after reading criticism by me and others instead of an echo chamber of fools stroking each other's bruised egos. You are so far gone, you cannot even accept the OP as a table of facts because they do not compliment your car choice.
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lkkms2
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:02 am

SageBrush wrote:
jonathanfields4ever wrote: a thread where the OP admitted to only being here to troll Leaf owners as revenge for trolling he saw on Tesla forums.

This thread ? Then you are talking about me, and you are an idiot. I participate in this forum because I own a LEAF and I criticize Nissan and its battery because I think Nissan customer support is awful and the battery is a poor design foisted on the ignorant.

You are one of the suckers come lately, which is fine. It was your money. Other potential buyers may re-evaluate after reading criticism by me and others instead of an echo chamber of fools stroking each other's bruised egos. You are so far gone, you cannot even accept the OP as a table of facts because they do not compliment your car choice.


Sick. Or as they say in Japan, “Baka”.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:52 am

lkkms2 wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
jonathanfields4ever wrote: a thread where the OP admitted to only being here to troll Leaf owners as revenge for trolling he saw on Tesla forums.

This thread ? Then you are talking about me, and you are an idiot. I participate in this forum because I own a LEAF and I criticize Nissan and its battery because I think Nissan customer support is awful and the battery is a poor design foisted on the ignorant.

You are one of the suckers come lately, which is fine. It was your money. Other potential buyers may re-evaluate after reading criticism by me and others instead of an echo chamber of fools stroking each other's bruised egos. You are so far gone, you cannot even accept the OP as a table of facts because they do not compliment your car choice.


Sick. Or as they say in Japan, “Baka”.


Yes, it's unfortunate that some find a need for an ad hominem when posting. Sorry to see you attacked like that on MNL.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:45 am

SageBrush wrote:Of course Tesla in unprofitable. Just look at what they have built in the last year or so:
A Gigafactory !!
A completely re-tooled car factory
A rapidly expanding SuperCharger network
R&D of an electric Semi and the Model Y

They are poring every penny of profit (and more) into growth.

Amazon has done the same, for years.



When they get to "one penny" let me know :lol:
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:47 pm

Has it ever occured to any of you that Tesla doesn't need to make a profit ever? That it could even go bankrupt? Tesla goes bankrupt, SpaceX steps in, buys whatever is left of the company and Musk continues to make electric cars only now without the debt overhead. It's not likely but possible. In addition he regains control of the company!

If Elon Musk's goal is to wean us off oil and coal and not make himself another huge fortune, Tesla can stumble along at breakeven for a long time. The stock may go into the weeds in the process but the cars still get built. Most of the debt financing is already in place and the factories are already built. Turning a profit would make it easier to expand but isn't a showstopper if he doesn't. Jf he does intend to make another fortune then he needs to make Tesla profitable in the long run, say over the next 10 years (oddly enough that's how long it takes for all his options to vest).
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:56 pm

johnlocke wrote:Has it ever occured to any of you that Tesla doesn't need to make a profit ever? That it could even go bankrupt? Tesla goes bankrupt, SpaceX steps in, buys whatever is left of the company and Musk continues to make electric cars only now without the debt overhead. It's not likely but possible. In addition he regains control of the company!

If Elon Musk's goal is to wean us off oil and coal and not make himself another huge fortune, Tesla can stumble along at breakeven for a long time. The stock may go into the weeds in the process but the cars still get built. Most of the debt financing is already in place and the factories are already built. Turning a profit would make it easier to expand but isn't a showstopper if he doesn't. Jf he does intend to make another fortune then he needs to make Tesla profitable in the long run, say over the next 10 years (oddly enough that's how long it takes for all his options to vest).



You won't win an argument from some very bitter people here that have displaced anger over Tesla envy, we all know who that is here and the foaming at the mouth will continue endlessly and that person will still be driving their LEAF with 10% capacity down the road. It's not that some can't see the Tesla business model it's that they refuse to admit is and use ridiculous arguments and FUD to make them feel better. One has to also ask why some have so much hate for a company, my guess it's all envy based nonsense but funny to read.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:57 pm

Tesla will be fine. They have resources for more cash if they need it.
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:59 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Tesla will be fine. They have resources for more cash if they need it.


Seems few people are worried about this except the FUD mongers:)
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:03 pm

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DaveinOlyWA wrote:Tesla will be fine. They have resources for more cash if they need it.


Seems few people are worried about this except the FUD mongers:)


What Tesla is doing is rewriting an entire industry. All we hear is "they can't do that!" AND "They can do that?"

This means they are rewriting the book on car sales. When a business does that to this level, they don't need to make money. Ask Amazon if you have any questions about that.
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