DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:44 pm

Well, I admit my situation is hardly typical and definitely not recommended! (other side maybe! JK....) but its hard to argue the math on the deal.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 8743 miles, 485 GIDs, 37.6 kwh 111.39 Ahr , SOH 96.49, Hx 114.98
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SageBrush
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Location: Colorado

Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:30 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Leases are not always the most expensive way to go. In my case, it saved me thousands. :)


Your post reminded me of the people who love to tell of their casino successes.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

jonathanfields4ever
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Location: Kyoto

Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:59 pm

SageBrush wrote:I find it quite amazing and not a little hilarious that people look at the table, read that the Model 3 is priced in between the SL and SV yet with obvious advantages, and conclude that unlike the NIssan, the Tesla is a "luxury car" outside of their price class.


"Luxury car" is a bit of a silly way to think about it, yes, but if you just want an electric car the Leaf is a better option for the foreseeable future. An SV with everything but the semi-autonomous driving stuff is around $33K and it's possible to get some kind of deal since you're working through a dealer on a car with lower demand. You didn't like my example because I bought in Japan, fine. But surely you'll concede that a car available now for several thousand less is more appealing to some than a more expensive car available who knows when?

SageBrush
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:06 pm

jonathanfields4ever wrote: But surely you'll concede that a car available now for several thousand less is more appealing to some than a more expensive car available who knows when?
I know when the Model 3 I have reserved will be available within a 2-3 month window .. in 2018.

A question for you: why didn't you reserve a car when it became possible instead of complaining about the queue now ?
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

jonathanfields4ever
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:14 pm

SageBrush wrote:
jonathanfields4ever wrote: But surely you'll concede that a car available now for several thousand less is more appealing to some than a more expensive car available who knows when?
I know when the Model 3 I have reserved will be available within a 2-3 month window .. in 2018.

A question for you: why didn't you reserve a car when it became possible instead of complaining about the queue now ?


And when is that window, exactly? I feel like if it were reasonable, you'd have said "March to May," for example. Instead, amidst more news of production bottlenecks left unresolved, you say "a 2-3 month window in 2018."

As for the reservation... Tesla, while amazing, is historically terrible at hitting deadlines. I need a car at a very specific time, and I'm not going to take a liquid $1K out of my family's cash flow to maybe hopefully someday get a car.

SageBrush
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:21 pm

jonathanfields4ever wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
jonathanfields4ever wrote: But surely you'll concede that a car available now for several thousand less is more appealing to some than a more expensive car available who knows when?
I know when the Model 3 I have reserved will be available within a 2-3 month window .. in 2018.

A question for you: why didn't you reserve a car when it became possible instead of complaining about the queue now ?


And when is that window, exactly? I feel like if it were reasonable, you'd have said "March to May," for example. Instead, amidst more news of production bottlenecks left unresolved, you say "a 2-3 month window in 2018."

As for the reservation... Tesla, while amazing, is historically terrible at hitting deadlines. I need a car at a very specific time, and I'm not going to take a liquid $1K out of my family's cash flow to maybe hopefully someday get a car.

I said 2-3 months because it varies by trim.

As for your "cash flow" problems .. living paycheck to paycheck sucks. Good luck getting out.
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2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

jonathanfields4ever
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Location: Kyoto

Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:24 pm

SageBrush wrote:
jonathanfields4ever wrote:
SageBrush wrote:I know when the Model 3 I have reserved will be available within a 2-3 month window .. in 2018.

A question for you: why didn't you reserve a car when it became possible instead of complaining about the queue now ?


And when is that window, exactly? I feel like if it were reasonable, you'd have said "March to May," for example. Instead, amidst more news of production bottlenecks left unresolved, you say "a 2-3 month window in 2018."

As for the reservation... Tesla, while amazing, is historically terrible at hitting deadlines. I need a car at a very specific time, and I'm not going to take a liquid $1K out of my family's cash flow to maybe hopefully someday get a car.

I said 2-3 months because it varies by trim.

As for your "cash flow" problems .. living paycheck to paycheck sucks. No wonder you are mired in lease hell. Good luck getting out.


Resorting to veiled personal attacks. A sign that you're on the ropes.

I bought my car, actually. For $7K cheaper than a Model 3. And I'm getting it on February 10th. The dealer has it already. They're installing dealer options, getting the paperwork done for my EV subsidy, and coming out on the 5th to install my charger.
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SageBrush
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:25 pm

jonathanfields4ever wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
jonathanfields4ever wrote:
And when is that window, exactly? I feel like if it were reasonable, you'd have said "March to May," for example. Instead, amidst more news of production bottlenecks left unresolved, you say "a 2-3 month window in 2018."

As for the reservation... Tesla, while amazing, is historically terrible at hitting deadlines. I need a car at a very specific time, and I'm not going to take a liquid $1K out of my family's cash flow to maybe hopefully someday get a car.

I said 2-3 months because it varies by trim.

As for your "cash flow" problems .. living paycheck to paycheck sucks. No wonder you are mired in lease hell. Good luck getting out.


I bought my car, actually. For $7K cheaper than a Model 3. And I'm getting it on February 10th.

Do you mean you took out a loan ?
I wish you luck with the car, but Nissan's track record with the battery makes me think you will regret your decision. Or were there local Japanese credits that allowed a hedge not available for a Tesla ?
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2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

jonathanfields4ever
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Location: Kyoto

Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:47 pm

SageBrush wrote:
jonathanfields4ever wrote:
SageBrush wrote:I said 2-3 months because it varies by trim.

As for your "cash flow" problems .. living paycheck to paycheck sucks. No wonder you are mired in lease hell. Good luck getting out.


I bought my car, actually. For $7K cheaper than a Model 3. And I'm getting it on February 10th.

Do you mean you took out a loan ?
I wish you luck with the car, but Nissan's track record with the battery makes me think you will regret your decision. Or were there local Japanese credits that allowed a hedge not available for a Tesla ?


I deleted my previous post because it felt like the conversation was headed in the wrong direction in both content and tenor.

Nissans are just better here in general because they have the charging infrastructure, but I didn't bring that up because I only wanted to argue on the comparable points; price, features, and availability.

The Model 3 isn't going to come here until 2019 or later, my old car took a dump, and there's a government cash subsidy (only about $4K, but still) for electric vehicle buyers ending in March. So, I really had no choice given that I absolutely want an electric car.

But depending on the buyer I think the Leaf is more attractive even in The States. The Model 3 is hands down the better car, but I don't think you're being fair about the merits of the Leaf.

SageBrush
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Re: 2018 LEAF Vs Tesla Model 3 SR: A Comparison Table for the USA

Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:05 pm

Good luck with your '18 LEAF. I hope I am wrong about its battery longevity
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

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