Jollermd
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Re: LEAF 2018 151 Mile Range Mystery

Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:33 am

I expected based on this forum and knowing my driving style i would get about 130 miles safely in my 2018 leaf.

Yesterday i did a 180 miles round trip with 2 stops at a supercharger. Mostly hwy. temp 45 to 50 deg F

At 40 miles i supercharged charged to 90%..... thinking i had more than enough for part two.

I then had a 100 miles segment to destination and get back to the supercharger on opposite side of hwy. Hwy driving at speed limit(70mph). Pro pilot turned on. No heating. Minimal traffic. On second half of trip i had to slow down, get behind a 18 wheeler in slow lane to make it back to supercharger and have enough juice to find a second charger if the intended one was really down as mentioned on plugshare app. I just made it. 12% left. Charger was working...

So realistic range driving at hwy speed limit, about 100 to 110 miles from 100%. Without heating.

When I started superchaging to get on leg 3 home, i watched the temperature rising rapidly as it charged from 10%. By the time it got to 50%, the battery meter was 3/4 way to the red line. Good thing I only need another 40 miles.

Going forward all my calculations will be based on a range of a 100 miles so that i can travel at speed limit and use climate control.

In the dead of winter.... 80 miles?
:oops:

webeleafowners
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Re: LEAF 2018 151 Mile Range Mystery

Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:50 am

Jollermd wrote:I expected based on this forum and knowing my driving style i would get about 130 miles safely in my 2018 leaf.

Yesterday i did a 180 miles round trip with 2 stops at a supercharger. Mostly hwy. temp 45 to 50 deg F

At 40 miles i supercharged charged to 90%..... thinking i had more than enough for part two.

I then had a 100 miles segment to destination and get back to the supercharger on opposite side of hwy. Hwy driving at speed limit(70mph). Pro pilot turned on. No heating. Minimal traffic. On second half of trip i had to slow down, get behind a 18 wheeler in slow lane to make it back to supercharger and have enough juice to find a second charger if the intended one was really down as mentioned on plugshare app. I just made it. 12% left. Charger was working...

So realistic range driving at hwy speed limit, about 100 to 110 miles from 100%. Without heating.

When I started superchaging to get on leg 3 home, i watched the temperature rising rapidly as it charged from 10%. By the time it got to 50%, the battery meter was 3/4 way to the red line. Good thing I only need another 40 miles.

Going forward all my calculations will be based on a range of a 100 miles so that i can travel at speed limit and use climate control.

In the dead of winter.... 80 miles?
:oops:



Good morning and happy waster. So I’m missing something here. You are talking about a leaf but then you mention stopping at Superchargers. How does that work. Is there some new funky adapter out there that allows connecting a leaf to Superchargers???

Cheers.

John.
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jjeff
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Re: LEAF 2018 151 Mile Range Mystery

Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:03 am

I'm guessing OP means QC as in a QC charger is super fast?
And before my 24kw Leaf lost a bar I figured roughly .75 the range for hwy speeds(65-70) and moderate heat use(thermostat set to 75 but fan speed of only 1 or 2) and in much colder weather and maybe even snowing and again heat use, .625 the stated range.
In the case of a 150 mile range Leaf that would equate to ~112 miles and 94 miles.
80 miles would be overly pessimistic but possible with a degraded battery :(
The stated ranges are best-case scenarios; lower than posted hwy speeds, no headwinds, flat terrain, 70 degree weather, etc. as with most ICE vehicles, actual MPG will be lower and in ICE vehicles city mpg tends to be quite a bit lower than EPA, I'm generally able to make hwy EPA, at least in the summer.
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Re: LEAF 2018 151 Mile Range Mystery

Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:31 am

Aero drag on a LEAF at 70 mph is about 40% higher than if you were going 60 mph. Slow down a bit if you want to get closer to that 151 miles rated range.
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webeleafowners
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Re: LEAF 2018 151 Mile Range Mystery

Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:53 am

alozzy wrote:Aero drag on a LEAF at 70 mph is about 40% higher than if you were going 60 mph. Slow down a bit if you want to get closer to that 151 miles rated range.


Yepir. Where we live in the Okanagan valley even 100 km/h zones are few and far between. 180 km range on a two year old 30 Kw leaf isn’t even a stretch. But we spend a lot of time at 70 km/h. Takes like 45 minutes to go from Vernon to Kelowna and it’s 60 km away. Nice views though. Meh.
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lorenfb
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Re: LEAF 2018 151 Mile Range Mystery

Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:20 am

alozzy wrote:Aero drag on a LEAF at 70 mph is about 40% higher than if you were going 60 mph. Slow down a bit if you want to get closer to that 151 miles rated range.


Good advice! To achieve my desired range with my Leaf now at 50 Ahrs (@ 62K miles), my maximum speed very rarely exceeds 50-55 MPH.
My range is further limited by my not letting the battery Ahrs fall below 18 Ahrs before charging. That and rarely having the QC exceed 80%
may have somewhat reduced the battery's degradation.
Leaf SL MY 9/13: 70K miles, 49 Ahrs, 5.1 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 charges to 100% > 1000, max battery temp < 95F (35C), min discharge point > 20 Ahrs

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: LEAF 2018 151 Mile Range Mystery

Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:17 pm

Jollermd wrote:I expected based on this forum and knowing my driving style i would get about 130 miles safely in my 2018 leaf.

Yesterday i did a 180 miles round trip with 2 stops at a supercharger. Mostly hwy. temp 45 to 50 deg F

At 40 miles i supercharged charged to 90%..... thinking i had more than enough for part two.

I then had a 100 miles segment to destination and get back to the supercharger on opposite side of hwy. Hwy driving at speed limit(70mph). Pro pilot turned on. No heating. Minimal traffic. On second half of trip i had to slow down, get behind a 18 wheeler in slow lane to make it back to supercharger and have enough juice to find a second charger if the intended one was really down as mentioned on plugshare app. I just made it. 12% left. Charger was working...

So realistic range driving at hwy speed limit, about 100 to 110 miles from 100%. Without heating.

When I started superchaging to get on leg 3 home, i watched the temperature rising rapidly as it charged from 10%. By the time it got to 50%, the battery meter was 3/4 way to the red line. Good thing I only need another 40 miles.

Going forward all my calculations will be based on a range of a 100 miles so that i can travel at speed limit and use climate control.

In the dead of winter.... 80 miles?
:oops:


with those parameters, I would cut it down to 50 miles in Winter.
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Re: LEAF 2018 151 Mile Range Mystery

Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:07 pm

Jollermd wrote:Yesterday i did a 180 miles round trip with 2 stops at a supercharger. Mostly hwy. temp 45 to 50 deg F

At 40 miles i supercharged charged to 90%..... thinking i had more than enough for part two.

I then had a 100 miles segment to destination and get back to the supercharger on opposite side of hwy. Hwy driving at speed limit(70mph). Pro pilot turned on. No heating. Minimal traffic. On second half of trip i had to slow down, get behind a 18 wheeler in slow lane to make it back to supercharger and have enough juice to find a second charger if the intended one was really down as mentioned on plugshare app. I just made it. 12% left. Charger was working...

So realistic range driving at hwy speed limit, about 100 to 110 miles from 100%. Without heating.

When I started superchaging to get on leg 3 home...:

Please stop using the the term "supercharger" or "supercharging" and what your Leaf connected to. Leaf is NOT compatible with "superchargers". Perpetuating the incorrect usage of that term can cause confusion esp. amongst newbies and incorrectly set expectations.

In the US, there are 3 incompatible DC (mostly fast) charging standards:
1) Tesla Supercharger (https://www.tesla.com/supercharger) - they use their North American connector
2) CHAdeMO (http://www.chademo.com) - Leaf can come with an optional CHAdEMO inlet
3) SAE Combo aka Combo1 flavor of CCS - visual aid at https://greentransportation.info/ev-cha ... r-etc.html under "DC Fast charging standards – CHAdeMO, CCS, Supercharger, China"

Leaf is NOT compatible with #1 nor #3. Tesla outside the US (e.g. Europe) also uses a different connector for Supercharging than in North America.

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Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

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Re: LEAF 2018 151 Mile Range Mystery

Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:10 pm

jjeff wrote:I'm guessing OP means QC as in a QC charger is super fast?
And before my 24kw Leaf lost a bar I figured roughly .75 the range for hwy speeds(65-70) and moderate heat use(thermostat set to 75 but fan speed of only 1 or 2) and in much colder weather and maybe even snowing and again heat use, .625 the stated range.
In the case of a 150 mile range Leaf that would equate to ~112 miles and 94 miles.
80 miles would be overly pessimistic but possible with a degraded battery :(
The stated ranges are best-case scenarios; lower than posted hwy speeds, no headwinds, flat terrain, 70 degree weather, etc. as with most ICE vehicles, actual MPG will be lower and in ICE vehicles city mpg tends to be quite a bit lower than EPA, I'm generally able to make hwy EPA, at least in the summer.


Very reasonable fudge factors. Just remember to multiply them by the actual capacity of the battery, which will drop as the battery degrades.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
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3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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