goldbrick
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:23 pm

Is this information in the manual somewhere?

I believe you since a watt is a watt and the charger shouldn't have any trouble converting the AC power coming in to DC for the batteries if it has enough power, but....the specs I find on-line seem to indicate that the 120V charging rate is always much lower than the 240V rate. This document http://nissannews.com/media_storage/dow ... -FINAL.pdf which comes from what would seem to be an 'official' site shows the 120V rate to be about half the 240V rate for both the 3.3kW and 6.6kW chargers. In fact, looking at this, the only advantage of the upgraded charger option is the DC quick charger port since it shows the L2 charge times to be about equal between the 3.3kW and 6.6kW (6.0 kW ?) on-board chargers.

Edit to add: A lot of my questions are answered here in older posts: '3.3 kW' charger means car can accept 3.3kW but draw 3.8kW while '6.6kW charger' means car can draw 6.6kW but accepts only 6.0kW, hence the naming confusion, or here https://insideevs.com/charging-levels-explained-bower/

Interesting that L1, L2, or L3 can be either AC or DC. That was news to me.

SageBrush
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:43 pm

goldbrick wrote:This document http://nissannews.com/media_storage/dow ... -FINAL.pdf which comes from what would seem to be an 'official' site shows the 120V rate to be about half the 240V rate for both the 3.3kW and 6.6kW chargers. In fact, looking at this, the only advantage of the upgraded charger option is the DC quick charger port since it shows the L2 charge times to be about equal between the 3.3kW and 6.6kW (6.0 kW ?) on-board chargers.

This would be the case if the EVSE was limited to about 16 Amps (20 Amp circuity). Unclear table to be sure.

I own a 2013 LEAF with a 6.6 kW OBC and can confirm that the car charges at 6 kW net into the battery when not constrained by the EVSE. I see it by charging times every time we plug in the car at home using our (max) 9.6 kW EVSE during the day and I time the SoC increase or by the logs that ChargePoint provides when I use L2 charging in a nearby town. E.g.,

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LeftieBiker
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:46 pm

Interesting that L1, L2, or L3 can be either AC or DC. That was news to me.


Are you trolling for indignant responses?
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cmwade77
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:49 pm

dragonmanagement wrote:Hello all,

Looking to buy used 2013 SV at $9K from private seller. Here are the LeafSpy data.

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Thoughts? Comments? Concerns?

This is my first EV purchase, so I'm trying to be more circumspect than I normally would be when purchasing a car.

Best as I can tell, this looks like a pretty good deal, especially given its use in the Upper Midwest (US).

Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers.

I bought mine with similar leafspy data last year for around $6,000 in California.

dragonmanagement
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:49 pm

dragonmanagement wrote:
SageBrush wrote:If you have log info that goes back a couple of months that shows a steady Ahr capacity it would be reassuring that no reset monkey business had taken place.

Working on getting that info now.
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Just heard back from the seller re: AHr...
10/20/17 - 59.5
Got up to 60.6 in December
Currently (as of 3/24/18) at 60.1

So, looks like no reset. :D

SageBrush
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:53 pm

Buy that puppy !
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles

dragonmanagement
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:54 pm

BTW, I was talking to another seller about a 2015 SV. I sent the exact same email message as the one I sent about the 2013 SV in this post (asking for LeafSpy data before driving 2+ hours to see the car), and their response was, "Hello, I had my son do the LeafSpy when I bought the car 12,000 miles ago. It was at 96% then. It's not my responsibility to test that for you. You are welcome to come and test it for yourself."

Call me crazy, but that seemed like a kinda nuts response from the seller, right? (Especially given how key the LeafSpy data is in making a decision re: purchasing a used EV)

dragonmanagement
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:01 pm

SageBrush wrote:Buy that puppy !

I think I am.

SageBrush
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:03 pm

When I was shopping for a LEAF, I decided that the differences between a 10/2013+ car to a new one were minor and that I should focus on battery health so long as the cosmetic condition was OK. I still think this is a valid approach and it let me buy a good car for a steal.

OP appears to be doing the same and I think he will be pleased with this car he is considering.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles

LeftieBiker
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:37 pm

dragonmanagement wrote:BTW, I was talking to another seller about a 2015 SV. I sent the exact same email message as the one I sent about the 2013 SV in this post (asking for LeafSpy data before driving 2+ hours to see the car), and their response was, "Hello, I had my son do the LeafSpy when I bought the car 12,000 miles ago. It was at 96% then. It's not my responsibility to test that for you. You are welcome to come and test it for yourself."

Call me crazy, but that seemed like a kinda nuts response from the seller, right? (Especially given how key the LeafSpy data is in making a decision re: purchasing a used EV)


The 2015 would be a better car (despite lacking a couple of features of the 2013) so I suggest you go and run LeafSpy on it. If it were close to me that's what I'd do. I'd like to find a nice, loaded 2015 SV with high SOH.
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