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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:45 pm

kubben wrote:I just traded in my 2013 Leaf for a new 2018 leaf. My 2013 had 84,000 and still had full battery capacity. I had never heard of leaf spy it would have been interesting to to see how close it was to loosing a bar of capacity.


Having 12 bars showing means that capacity loss is no greater than ~15%, not that no capacity has been lost. My 12 bar 2013 Leaf has lost about 14% capacity.
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:10 pm

Thanks everyone! I really appreciate the feedback.

Here's some replies to/questions regarding your comments:


alozzy wrote:Interesting that it's never had a QC, does it have a CHADEMO port? Guessing not...

No, it doesn't. Just out of curiosity, where are you seeing that it has never had a QC?
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SageBrush wrote:If you have log info that goes back a couple of months that shows a steady Ahr capacity it would be reassuring that no reset monkey business had taken place.

Working on getting that info now.
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silverone wrote:I think you can get a couple years of service from this battery as long as you're not expecting 50+ mile range in winter. With the cheaper battery options on the way, the utility of older Leafs should improve and used prices will continue to stabilize.

Got a L2 at work (25 miles away), so I should be good. Also, what do you mean by "cheaper batter options"? I thought a new one was $6K?
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:17 pm

The "QC" count in the pic you posted of LeafSpy's default screen:

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The cheaper battery pack option is not available yet in NA, but it will be remanufactured packs, with at least 80% SOH for under $3k
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:22 am

The Quick Charge info is here:

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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:45 am

I don't know about 2013 but I'm pretty sure that for 2017 models no QC port means no L2 charging either. You can still use the L2 charger at your work but it may be limited to L1 charging rates.

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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:25 am

goldbrick wrote:I don't know about 2013 but I'm pretty sure that for 2017 models no QC port means no L2 charging either. You can still use the L2 charger at your work but it may be limited to L1 charging rates.

No so

You may be thinking of the supplied mobile EVSE. The one supplied with the 'S' model is 120v only while the more featured mobile EVSE can also take advantage of 240V if available. That is the EVSE -- it does not affect the car on board charger (OBC) which is up to 6.6 kW using the J1772 connector.

Bottom line: any LEAF can be charged at L2 (240) volts if you have the right EVSE. Actually, I cannot think of any EV with J1772 that does not support L2. It may be part of the spec.

Tangentially,
Regarding OBC specs:
Nissan rates power before the OBC; net to the battery is ~ 10% less
Toyota e.g. rates power *after* the OBC, so net to the battery is about the same as the Toyota rating.
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:10 pm

goldbrick wrote:I don't know about 2013 but I'm pretty sure that for 2017 models no QC port means no L2 charging either. You can still use the L2 charger at your work but it may be limited to L1 charging rates.


NO. All Leafs come with L-2 charging capability. A 2017 Leaf with no QC may have the slower 3.3kw onboard charger, but it's still L-2.
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:52 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
goldbrick wrote:I don't know about 2013 but I'm pretty sure that for 2017 models no QC port means no L2 charging either. You can still use the L2 charger at your work but it may be limited to L1 charging rates.


NO. All Leafs come with L-2 charging capability. A 2017 Leaf with no QC may have the slower 3.3kw onboard charger, but it's still L-2.

6.6 kW across the Model trims in 2018.
https://www.nissanusa.com/electric-cars ... ons-specs/

I don't know if the 2017 model year had a base 'S' with OBC limited to 3.3 kW but that would still be at 240 volts (L2). If true then the limiter would be amperage.
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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:02 pm

Sorry about the confusion on the L2. I keep thinking L1 = 3.3kW but that is obviously wrong as L1 = 120V and 12A for a Leaf. As everyone except me knows L2 = 240V and max charge rate wattage will vary based on the charger electronics in the car.

I have a 2017 S and the owner's manual mentions both the 3.3kW and 6.6kW charger rates 'if equipped' but I suppose it's possible that all 2017 models are 'equipped' with the upgraded charger. I can't tell since my car came with the charger upgrade option and it has the quick charge port (and 6.6kW L2 charger).

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Re: 2013 SV - thoughts?

Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:29 pm

goldbrick wrote:Sorry about the confusion on the L2. I keep thinking L1 = 3.3kW but that is obviously wrong as L1 = 120V and 12A for a Leaf. As everyone except me knows L2 = 240V and max charge rate wattage will vary based on the charger electronics in the car.

L1 can be up to 27.5a or the same as on L2 with a Leaf that has a 6.6kw charger :)

goldbrick wrote:I have a 2017 S and the owner's manual mentions both the 3.3kW and 6.6kW charger rates 'if equipped' but I suppose it's possible that all 2017 models are 'equipped' with the upgraded charger. I can't tell since my car came with the charger upgrade option and it has the quick charge port (and 6.6kW L2 charger).

If your S has the charger package it will charge at up to 27.5a on either L1 or L2(which would be 6.6kw).
If your S has a QC port it has the 6.6kw charger, which means 27.5a on either 120v or 240v.
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