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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:42 am

"Lifetime" warranties are no better than the replacement/repair policies of whoever stands behind them. Most lifetime warranties mean replacement if you can demonstrate that the device/part was defective when you took possession - NOT that you wore it out or damaged it in use. A battery which has been reduced in capacity is not defective - it is wearing out in use. That is what batteries do. A lifetime or long period warranty on a tire does not mean that it is guaranteed not to wear out in use.
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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:43 am

Not sure where the OP got the lifetime warranty info, but this is what I found on the Kona Electric spec sheet:

KONA High Voltage Battery Warranty - 8 Years, 125,000 Miles
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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:52 am

alozzy wrote:Not sure where the OP got the lifetime warranty info, but this is what I found on the Kona Electric spec sheet:
KONA High Voltage Battery Warranty - 8 Years, 125,000 Miles


And the LEAF (2016 and beyond) has an 8 year, 100,000 mile battery warranty.
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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:16 pm

SO.... The attractiveness of the KONA is suddenly blown out of the water....

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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:30 pm

powersurge wrote:SO.... The attractiveness of the KONA is suddenly blown out of the water....


I'd say diminished somewhat. I still think it has a lot to offer though.

The next biggest selling point for me, all else being equal (which it's still not) is being able to take advantage of the full $7500 tax credit.
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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:10 pm

So, the warranty on the pack is pretty comparable. That simplifies the choice - a passively cooled pack that has repeatedly proven to suffer premature degradation in hot climates, or an actively cooled pack that has no track record.

That's based on the latest speculation RE the e-Plus 2019 Leaf:

https://www.electrive.com/2018/12/04/ex ... d-cooling/

Multiple sites are reporting the same thing, hopefully the info is wrong but that seems increasingly unlikely...
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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:46 pm

mwalsh wrote:The next biggest selling point for me, all else being equal (which it's still not) is being able to take advantage of the full $7500 tax credit.

Nissan has sold 126,747 Leafs in the US through October 2018. It will still be quite a while before the federal rebate on the Leaf is reduced.
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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:46 pm

Dooglas wrote:Nissan has sold 126,747 Leafs in the US through October 2018. It will still be quite a while before the federal rebate on the Leaf is reduced.


No, I'm over the LEAF. Still love my '11, but I wouldn't re-up.

My counter point on that was actually the Bolt. Or rather GM eligible vehicles in general.
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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:58 pm

Dooglas wrote:
mwalsh wrote:The next biggest selling point for me, all else being equal (which it's still not) is being able to take advantage of the full $7500 tax credit.

...
It will still be quite a while before the federal rebate on the Leaf is reduced.

MWalsh used the right terminology. It's a Federal tax credit, not a rebate.

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Re: Kona Electric Lifetime battery warranty vs leaf warranty.

Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:16 pm

alozzy wrote:Not sure where the OP got the lifetime warranty info, but this is what I found on the Kona Electric spec sheet:

KONA High Voltage Battery Warranty - 8 Years, 125,000 Miles


I tried to find that spec sheet in the Kona forum but didn't have any luck.

There are multiple sites (like this one: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/278 ... ax-credits) reporting that the Kona will be coming with a non-transferable lifetime battery warranty. So far none of the articles I've seen have any details on the allowable degradation or other issues that would trigger the warranty to take effect.

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