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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:50 am

WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Smart organization, very good start.


Yes, but Lefty is a moderator. His version will be official.

Less paranoia, more writing.
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03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:07 am

WetEV wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:I've changed the wording. Depends on the employer, to a large degree...

I like the new wording.

But it definitely depends upon the company!

When I got my LEAF, my employer had 2 charging stations. Our Founder/CEO was an early plug-in adopter - he had one of the first Volts, and now drives a 3. He's committed to scaling charging availability. We've now got about 60 EVSEs and well over 120 plug-ins.
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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:32 pm

jlv wrote:When I got my LEAF, my employer had 2 charging stations. Our Founder/CEO was an early plug-in adopter - he had one of the first Volts, and now drives a 3. He's committed to scaling charging availability. We've now got about 60 EVSEs and well over 120 plug-ins.


Brilliant
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:18 pm

SageBrush wrote:
jlv wrote:When I got my LEAF, my employer had 2 charging stations. Our Founder/CEO was an early plug-in adopter - he had one of the first Volts, and now drives a 3. He's committed to scaling charging availability. We've now got about 60 EVSEs and well over 120 plug-ins.


Brilliant
Same for apartment dwellers or renting in general..... if the owner has an EV you probably have a good shot at having the proper charging installed.
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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:23 pm

This thread is a good for general assumptions. But is there anyway it could be made less vague? I mean, let's put some numbers here. Maybe graphs explaining current estimated TCO's, estimated battery life due to climate and other factors, range charts, etc.

Just a suggestion. :D
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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:02 pm

IssacZachary wrote:This thread is a good for general assumptions. But is there anyway it could be made less vague? I mean, let's put some numbers here. Maybe graphs explaining current estimated TCO's, estimated battery life due to climate and other factors, range charts, etc.

Just a suggestion. :D


Good suggestions, I'll see what I can do.

I'm working on a battery "life beyond the warranty", lots to research to make sure I'm as close as I can be.
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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:17 pm

By playing around with Edmund's TCO calculator, I found this. These are the estimated total cost of ownership of each Nissan Leaf for 5 years as of January 31, 2019:

Without tax credits
YEAR____S_______SV______SL___
New2018 $44,497 $48,000 $50,716
New2017 $31,530 $32,742 $35,096
Used2016 $26,399 $28,604 $30,079
Used2015 $25,358 $27,977 $28,107
Used2014 $24,667 $25,765 $27,168
Used2013 $23,238 $24,370 $24,424

With $7,500 federal tax credit
YEAR____S_______SV______SL___
New2018 $36,997 $40,500 $43,216
New2017 $24,030 $25,242 $27,596

Edmund's doesn't have any info yet on the 2019 models.
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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:07 am

IssacZachary wrote:By playing around with Edmund's TCO calculator, I found this. These are the estimated total cost of ownership of each Nissan Leaf for 5 years as of January 31, 2019:

Without tax credits
YEAR____S_______SV______SL___
New2018 $44,497 $48,000 $50,716
New2017 $31,530 $32,742 $35,096
Used2016 $26,399 $28,604 $30,079
Used2015 $25,358 $27,977 $28,107
Used2014 $24,667 $25,765 $27,168
Used2013 $23,238 $24,370 $24,424

With $7,500 federal tax credit
YEAR____S_______SV______SL___
New2018 $36,997 $40,500 $43,216
New2017 $24,030 $25,242 $27,596

Edmund's doesn't have any info yet on the 2019 models.


This TCO calculator is at

https://www.edmunds.com/tco.html

I have several personal dislikes for this calculator.
  1. It is based on 5 year ownership. I'd rather look at a longer term, perhaps 8 or 10 years. Or better yet, let me select the term. Let me see the difference between a 3 year lease and an 8 year ownership.
  2. Based on 15,000 miles a year. Let me select the mile per year.
  3. Taxes and fees isn't close. I pay $233 per year. Estimate is $50
  4. Insurance cost goes down as the car gets older. Replacing a 5 year old car is much cheaper than replacing a brand new car.
  5. Fuel isn't bad first year for charging at home, but electric rates have not risen that fast in the past. Also, how much (paid or free?) public charging?
  6. Maintenance is just wrong. Way too high.

I'm trying to think about how to put this information into this topic. Perhaps a web based spreadsheet?
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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:14 pm

Edmunds calculator is way off for my location. Taxes and fees are way too high; maintenance is about 50% higher than actual; fuel costs are about right for first year, but not likely to increase as much as calculator shows; insurance is in ballpark for first year, but should drop as car ages (assuming only car--my cost is much lower with multiple vehicle discounts). I looked at both 2015 and 2018 calculations for Phoenix. I have very little maintenance expense except tires (figure 2 or 3 sets of tires for 5 years and 75,000 miles of use).
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Re: So you want an electric car, perhaps a LEAF? Read this first.

Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:43 pm

WetEV wrote:I'm trying to think about how to put this information into this topic. Perhaps a web based spreadsheet?

That would be awesome! I posted the Edmunds TCO information because that's about all that I can find.

As far as Edmunds TCO accuracy goes, I've found their insurance estimates to be less than what I normally pay. :( And I do believe that the maintenance price includes tires every so often, which aren't cheap either.
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