iPlug
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:38 am

Have a lot of friends and associates (>+20) with M3s and so far looking to have few if any problems. Warranty coverage notwithstanding.

For us the M3 SR+ and the 40kWh SV Leaf are the best value combo for our personal travel needs.

Different folks, different strokes, YMMV...

Also, I get almost precisely 200Wh/mi on our SR+ driving a bit more aggressively than our current or prior Leafs and even the prior Plug-in Prius, so beat the EPA estimates the most in the M3. Have not driven long enough to test efficiency in the Bolt, Kona, or Niro with my same driving patterns/habits.
'19 Model 3 SR+ (own), '19 Leaf SV (leased), '12 Plug-in Prius (sold 3/19), '16 Leaf SV (prior lease), 11.43kW Solar PV (16MWh/yr real production), 20.5 SEER/13.0 HSPF ducted air-source heat pump, 3.70 UEF heat pump water heater, Induction Cooktop

SageBrush
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:26 pm

iPlug wrote:Also, I get almost precisely 200Wh/mi on our SR+ driving a bit more aggressively than our current or prior Leafs and even the prior Plug-in Prius, so beat the EPA estimates the most in the M3. Have not driven long enough to test efficiency in the Bolt, Kona, or Niro with my same driving patterns/habits.

Nice !

I've been averaging about 175 Wh/mile for my city driving but I'm sure it will rise as AC use increases through the summer.
I'm most happy to have seen 0 mile vampire loss over 12 - 18 hours the last couple of days. It is too early to declare victory over that annoyance but I am optimistic. I LOVE OTA updates.

Next on my wish list: a better behaving web browser
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:54 pm

The SR+ is 55/56kWh? I know Tesla just posts range now, not battery capacity on the 3.

To hit the 240 miles, what watt per mile figure do you need to hit? If you can do 200 watts,or 5 miles/kWh can you do 275 miles on a charge to empty?
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iPlug
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:04 pm

SageBrush wrote:I've been averaging about 175 Wh/mile for my city driving...I'm most happy to have seen 0 mile vampire loss over 12 - 18 hours the last couple of days...

Great numbers and progress on the vampire drain. I think I'm down to about 1 mile/day, but haven't had a chance for the car to be idle for more than a day recently to find out.

DougWantsALeaf wrote:The SR+ is 55/56kWh? I know Tesla just posts range now, not battery capacity on the 3.

To hit the 240 miles, what watt per mile figure do you need to hit? If you can do 200 watts,or 5 miles/kWh can you do 275 miles on a charge to empty?

Apparently the SR+ battery is 62 kWh and ~55 kWh useable. I have never charged the vehicle all the way to 100% max user capacity nor taken down close to 0. I should have a better feel for this in a few weeks when we take our first road trip.

So it seems one would need 230 Wh/mi to hit 240 range. I would expect this to happen at freeway legal speeds based on my driving habits.

My current running 200 Wh/mi is mostly 0-52 mph on streets with a few stop lights and a couple stop signs, 7 miles round trip commute.
'19 Model 3 SR+ (own), '19 Leaf SV (leased), '12 Plug-in Prius (sold 3/19), '16 Leaf SV (prior lease), 11.43kW Solar PV (16MWh/yr real production), 20.5 SEER/13.0 HSPF ducted air-source heat pump, 3.70 UEF heat pump water heater, Induction Cooktop

SageBrush
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Re: Leaf Price / Discount discussion thread

Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:29 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:The SR+ is 55/56kWh? I know Tesla just posts range now, not battery capacity on the 3.

To hit the 240 miles, what watt per mile figure do you need to hit? If you can do 200 watts,or 5 miles/kWh can you do 275 miles on a charge to empty?
EPA combined city/highway * 0.88

The 0.88 fudge factor is present to discount the charging losses that EPA includes in overall fuel economy but is not relevant to a range test.

So ... EPA is 133 MPGe = 253 Wh/mile including charging losses
= 253*0.88 = 222 Wh/mile to get the EPA 240 mile range.

We can also calculate the usable capacity when new:
240 miles * 222 Wh/mile = 53.28 kWh
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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