burjoes
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WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:34 am

I'm looking around the country for the lowest price Certified SL with a quick charge port.

I am seeing a few out there for about $10k with about 20k miles, mostly 2012 models.

I have a 2014 BMW i3 BEV and looking to downsize in monthly payment. Seeing chademo stations being installed in my town (Austin, Texas), although that is not a primary factor.

I would consider a non-certified car, if it was substantially lower in price. However, with the number of issues I've heard about, and the newness of the technology, I want both worry-free driving (if such a thing exists) and protected resale value.

I'm not in a huge hurry - any reason to wait for the 2016's to launch, or other advice/suggestions? I'm looking for the best-equipped model I can get. I drive about 50 miles a day, so it needs to be comfortable.

Thanks!

Jason

EVforRobert
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:41 am

How much is the BMW payment?

Is it leased or owned?
2015 SV LED + Quickcharge Mfg 10/14
61.34 AHr 500 mi. 53.90 AHr 22438 mi. 5/18 12cb
2016 S 30kWh Mfg 9/16 82.34 AHr 4 miles. 5/18 70.32 AHr 321 gids 20091 mi

burjoes
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:44 am

I bought the BMW for about 52k. At the time, I was not aware that my tax situation would change in the following months such that I would not be able to take the $7500 credit (long story, don't ask, it's personal, and yes I'm sure). I refinanced it to buy a house and get a lower payment to qualify, and I owe about $30k on it. Payments are $475.

EVforRobert
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:54 am

I would read all the active posts here for a few weeks to learn of all the issues surrounding the battery and range and anything else. I would not look at 2011-12s due to range loss. There are several threads about it and how hard it is to get a replacement. Look at the capacity bar loss page. My 15 is good so far FWIW and it has been a hot summer here. Good luck.
2015 SV LED + Quickcharge Mfg 10/14
61.34 AHr 500 mi. 53.90 AHr 22438 mi. 5/18 12cb
2016 S 30kWh Mfg 9/16 82.34 AHr 4 miles. 5/18 70.32 AHr 321 gids 20091 mi

Valdemar
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:06 am

burjoes wrote:I would consider a non-certified car, if it was substantially lower in price. However, with the number of issues I've heard about, and the newness of the technology, I want both worry-free driving (if such a thing exists) and protected resale value.


About the only issue with 2011/12 cars you need to worry about is battery degradation and buying "certified" unfortunately doesn't extend the battery warranty coverage which remains at 5 years/60,000 miles for capacity loss below the 4 bar threshold or 8 years/100,000 against manufacturing defects. Gradual capacity loss and decreased range is not considered to be a manufacturing defect unless it can be linked to a faulty module, which is very rare but not unheard of.

There are plenty of topics here asking advice on buying used, take your time to read through them and understand how you can gauge battery condition. Apart from watching out for red flags such as salvage title and accident history, the ultimate goal of used Leaf hunting is finding one with a degraded pack that qualifies or will soon qualify for battery replacement under capacity warranty. Second best strategy is a car with low battery degradation and low mileage. Good luck.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB)
54.94AHr, SOH 86%, 130k miles
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EVforRobert
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:33 am

I really would not want to deliberately hunt down a bad battery, and pay good money for it. If you must, this one had a solid 14 mile range indicated on the GOM at 3/4 charge.
http://m.carmax.com/vehicle/12342789
This one should soon qualify as degraded!
2015 SV LED + Quickcharge Mfg 10/14
61.34 AHr 500 mi. 53.90 AHr 22438 mi. 5/18 12cb
2016 S 30kWh Mfg 9/16 82.34 AHr 4 miles. 5/18 70.32 AHr 321 gids 20091 mi

cwerdna
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:13 pm

Can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it.

You said 50 miles/day. How much city vs. highway? Will you have the ability to charge at your work/destinations?

I'm not sure why you'd want to pay more for certified. There's already enough of a price premium buying a non-certified one from a Nissan dealer. And, it doesn't extend the battery capacity warranty.

What are "the number of issues I've heard about"? You're in TX, so your biggest problem will be battery degradation and thus reduction of range autonomy, See viewtopic.php?t=13192 re: 5 year/60K mile capacity warranty and viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9694 for a summary of degradation.

As for "protected resale value", LOL! Leaf resale value is frankly terrible. It's good for used car buyers though. See viewtopic.php?p=430825#p430825 for what I got.

Unfortunately, the CHAdeMO inlet will command a premium. Who are the CHAdeMO providers in your area? Do you know the costs? In the SF Bay Area, Blink and NRG eVgo are the main DC FC providers, both a ripoff, $0.59 cents/kWh for the former and http://www.nrgevgo.com/san-francisco-bay-area/ for the latter. That why I didn't want to bother paying for CHAdeMO on the used Leaf I bought. My former '13 Leaf SV had it, and I used the port only 16 times in 2 years, all at free CHAdeMO stations (not many left).

If you're willing to buy new, you may just want to pick up a '15 since it has the "lizard battery" or wait for a '16 SV or SL since it comes w/8 year/100K capacity warranty and 107 miles of EPA range. If hitting 8 bars = 30% loss, that means ~75 miles of range. A new '13 to '15 Leaf w/new battery at 100% charge achieves 84 miles on the EPA test.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:19 pm

EVforRobert wrote:I would not look at 2011-12s due to range loss.
I agree, unless that '11 or '12 has a new battery or is CERTAIN to be eligible for replacement before the 5 year/60K mile capacity warranty runs out. I'd guess Austin weather should cook the battery pretty well.

EVforRobert wrote:There are several threads about it and how hard it is to get a replacement.

It's not been that hard. OP can skim the last 20 pages or so viewtopic.php?f=30&t=14102.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

burjoes
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:45 pm

I found a 2011 Leaf SL with 12k miles on it. It has all the options (I think) including Quick Charge and heated leather seats (custom installed by the dealer).

We already have a deal and I'm going through the paperwork now with the bank, but it's not too late to back out.

Questions:

It has 9 bars. The 5/60 battery warranty ends in Oct 2016. Does it seem certain that I would go through that last bar before then? I drive about 50-70 miles a day.

On that note, with 8 bars, will I make it my minimum of 40 miles a day, including the winter?

I am asking the owner to take it to the local dealer to have it checked out. Any special instructions? Is it reasonable to ask them to check it out using a Leaf Spy?

It's in the Miami area if that helps. I don't have the car fax (worth it?) but I believe it was driven in California. Current owner bought it at 3800 miles, not sure when.

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braineo
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:04 pm

a friend of mine is selling a SL with new fresh battery, PM me for info

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