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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:40 pm

burjoes wrote:It has 9 bars. The 5/60 battery warranty ends in Oct 2016. Does it seem certain that I would go through that last bar before then? I drive about 50-70 miles a day.

It depends on how fast you drive and whether you have charging at your destination or are willing to charge along the way.

See range chart at viewtopic.php?p=101293. In particular look at the chart for the 8 and 9 bar cars. On a 9 bar car, it predicts a range until empty of 91 miles if you go 35 mph w/no HVAC usage, on level ground. Or, only 43 miles, if you go 75 mph. Keep in mind that these are w/a 100% charge and run until battery exhaustion, w/no buffer.

You don't want to pull into your destination w/the turtle light on, because often, you won't make it and it'll get tougher and tougher as the battery degrades and as it gets colder.

If you're going to ride around near the bottom, you MUST have something like Leaf Spy.

Since you're in TX, I'm almost certain you'll be down to 8 bars before Oct 2016. Heck, if you can hold out even longer (to wait until almost the last moment to get a fresh battery), you might be down to 7, maybe even 6 bars by Oct 2016.

One wrinkle is that I don't know the current status of viewtopic.php?f=27&t=17045 with respect to opting back in if the previous person opted-out, etc. I haven't followed as I don't care (since it doesn't apply to me) and I have no time to anyway.
burjoes wrote:I'm looking for the best-equipped model I can get. I drive about 50 miles a day, so it needs to be comfortable.

I'm not sure if you believe best-equipped model == comfort. There's no comfort difference on any '11 or '12 other than standard heated seats and steering wheel on the '12+ models.

'13-15 SL come w/leather, but I don't care to pay for that and that doesn't == extra comfort to me.

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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:00 am

The drivers seat on my old '12 was more adjustable and more comfortable the the SV I have now.
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@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:09 am

Thanks for the replies. I contacted the dealer and found that the owner has not opted out of the warranty for battery capacity decline.

They charge $120 for a check out, and they will do the testing to see if it might already qualify for a new battery.

Regarding "comfort" this one has heated leather seats installed by the dealer when bought new.

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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:30 am

burjoes wrote:They charge $120 for a check out, and they will do the testing to see if it might already qualify for a new battery.

If it still has more than 8 bars, it won't qualify. There's no point. They shouldn't be charging money to see if it qualifies, either.

If the $120 is for some sort of inspection as to the car's condition, whether it's been in a serious accident, etc., ok then.

Again, you still haven't answered my questions about charging at your destination(s) or along the way. You can forget 70 miles or even 50 miles of range on a charge on a 9 bar car if you go fast. See range charts I pointed to. You won't be able to achieve 70 miles even on a new battery at 75 mph.

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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:10 am

Sorry, I forgot to reply to your other comments.

First, about the "testing". I would be paying the dealership to do a complete pre-buyers inspection to know if there is damage, repairs needed, etc. That is $120. When I told him about my concerns about battery life, he said just bring it in and they'll check it out. So no charge on that - I just meant they would do it at the same time it was there for the checkout.

Regarding my commute and charging situation - I live 20 miles from my work, 18 of which is on a 70MPH highway. So for 30-35 miles a day, I'm going 75-78MPH. There is no charging possible at work. I have a Clipper Creek HCS-40 on a 50 amp circuit at my house for my i3.

In addition to work/home, I take a night class one or two nights a week. To get there, I drive straight from work back past my house and another 10 miles round trip, total of about 50 miles. On that trek, I spend about 10 miles in bumper to bumper traffic instead of going 70+MPH. There is no charger at my school.

I really appreciate seeing that chart! It looks like I will be very tight for miles with 9 bars - then ok with a new battery. Your thoughts?

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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:04 pm

burjoes wrote:Sorry, I forgot to reply to your other comments.

First, about the "testing". I would be paying the dealership to do a complete pre-buyers inspection to know if there is damage, repairs needed, etc. That is $120. When I told him about my concerns about battery life, he said just bring it in and they'll check it out. So no charge on that - I just meant they would do it at the same time it was there for the checkout.

Regarding my commute and charging situation - I live 20 miles from my work, 18 of which is on a 70MPH highway. So for 30-35 miles a day, I'm going 75-78MPH. There is no charging possible at work. I have a Clipper Creek HCS-40 on a 50 amp circuit at my house for my i3.

In addition to work/home, I take a night class one or two nights a week. To get there, I drive straight from work back past my house and another 10 miles round trip, total of about 50 miles. On that trek, I spend about 10 miles in bumper to bumper traffic instead of going 70+MPH. There is no charger at my school.

I really appreciate seeing that chart! It looks like I will be very tight for miles with 9 bars - then ok with a new battery. Your thoughts?

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=4295
Tells you your expected range given how many bars you have. If I read correctly, you can expect 45 miles range at 75 mph and 9 bars.
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:31 pm

EVforRobert wrote:viewtopic.php?t=4295
Tells you your expected range given how many bars you have. If I read correctly, you can expect 45 miles range at 75 mph and 9 bars.

No, you need to look at the 9 bar chart at https://www.dropbox.com/s/y7hfg9ne3ojg9 ... 9.pdf?dl=0.

Expected range at 75 mph is 43 miles on a full charge.

I'd also look at the 8 CB chart at https://www.dropbox.com/s/epy3s5bmcbu3g ... 3.pdf?dl=0, which predicts 39 miles @ 75 mph.
burjoes wrote:Regarding my commute and charging situation - I live 20 miles from my work, 18 of which is on a 70MPH highway. So for 30-35 miles a day, I'm going 75-78MPH. There is no charging possible at work. I have a Clipper Creek HCS-40 on a 50 amp circuit at my house for my i3.
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I really appreciate seeing that chart! It looks like I will be very tight for miles with 9 bars - then ok with a new battery. Your thoughts?

I can say for that portion, it will be extremely tight on a 9 CB car. You will need to slow way down to leave a decent amount of buffer, esp. in winter. The high speeds suck up a lot of juice. I'd imagine you will arrive home past VLBW (2nd warning) each time.

Heater use from power pig heater and temporary capacity loss in colder weather doesn't help either. You will definitely want to pre-heat on "shore power".

If you can at least charge for a few hours @ 120 volts at work, that'd help. Each hour should add a tad over 1 kWh into the battery. You can assume 3 to 4 miles/kWh, depending on HVAC usage, speed, etc.

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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:37 pm

You might want to consider experimenting with smooth wheel covers and taller, thinner tires if you get that car. You could possibly see more range benefit than most Leaf drivers from aero mods. Much of the extra drag above (and below, for that matter) 55MPH is from the area of the wheel wells.
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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:13 pm

Just for giggles what would happen to you if you drove 65 in Texas? Never been there myself. :?:
2015 SV LED + Quickcharge Mfg 10/14
61.34 AHr 500 mi. 53.90 AHr 22438 mi. 5/18 12cb
2016 S 30kWh Mfg 9/16 82.34 AHr 4 miles. 5/18 69.71 AHr SOH 87.71 20618 mi
after PC6300 AHr 74.70 SOH 93.98

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Re: WTB: cheapest certified SL with quick charge

Thu Oct 22, 2015 10:17 pm

Presumably the police would shoot you for obstructing traffic. No, wait - I'm thinking of Nevada. ;-)
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