shmahatma
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Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:14 pm

I am not happy with the range of the Leaf; I drive about 60 miles on the freeway once/week and have to stop to charge at least once. I feel I was misled about this, also about needing to drive < 60 mi/hr to save the charge, using cruise control, also not using heat or radio. I like the car but am getting this info from other owners as we wait our turns to charge our cars (the salesperson did not give me any of this info before I leased). This is a great car for driving around town or as a second car. I do not want the anxiety of wondering if I'll make it home or where the next charging station is, & how much extra time it will take before I'm home. Has anyone tried returning their leased car, and how did it work, do you have any tips for me?

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Re: Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:57 pm

Well, since you signature shows delivery two months from now (3/1/17), you should have plenty of time to change your mind. ;)
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Re: Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:04 pm

If you leased an SV or SL you should have enough range for your trip. You may be panicking because the dashboard is telling you that you have a bit less range than you really have. If you leased a 24kwh S then you may indeed have a problem. The only good news in that case is that you can use the radio!
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Re: Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:05 pm

Sounds like a poor match for you. Can you return it with minimal penalty?

But before you do... download the https://www.plugshare.com/ app: and tap into a world of chargers you never knew about.
I have range concerns with the Leaf also: it's just too stressful to drive much outside of town. In down it's a great car.
There's no way I can ever take a 60mph freeway trip: my effective range is about 35 miles. Getting "Leaf Spy" can help
a bit with a more realistic semi-automated range calculation.

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Re: Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:19 pm

Something's wrong with this picture.
I didn't even have an "effective range" of 35 miles when my Leaf was a 4 bar loser: no way "new" Leafs are that bad!
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Re: Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:26 pm

If the OP wants help w/range, please answer viewtopic.php?p=275421#p275421. I suspect they're leaving a whole lot of unused capacity on the table and/or they can still take steps to mitigate the anxiety.

Never heard of people returning within weeks or months. OP will likely eat it VERY badly due to Leaf's poor resale value. Or, they might be able to get someone to takeover the lease. Unfortunately, NMAC's crap policies mean that the OP will still be on the hook, if the person who takes over is a deadbeat and doesn't pay. :(

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Re: Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:36 pm

Speed on the freeway will zap your battery capacity. Try driving the speed limit if you want range.
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Re: Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:37 pm

cwerdna wrote:If the OP wants help w/range, please answer viewtopic.php?p=275421#p275421. I suspect they're leaving a whole lot of unused capacity on the table and/or they can still take steps to mitigate the anxiety.

Never heard of people returning within weeks or months. OP will likely eat it VERY badly due to Leaf's poor resale value. Or, they might be able to get someone to takeover the lease. Unfortunately, NMAC's crap policies mean that the OP will still be on the hook, if the person who takes over is a deadbeat and doesn't pay. :(

There was this guy from Chicago back in late 2011 - early 2012:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=357&p=160691#p160691

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=357&p=163317#p163317

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=357&p=166281#p166281

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=357&p=168416#p168416

who got rid of his LEAF after about 4 weeks (Dec. 21st to Jan. 23rd.) and bought a Volt instead. One winter night trip with his wife and kids in the car was enough to convince him that the range in real world conditions (using heat/defrost, on snow) was simply too limited for him to put up with.
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Re: Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:44 am

^^^
I don't know that guy's situation since I didn't know of his story until now but there was not the healthy (w/low prices due to low resale value) market for Leafs until they started coming off lease.

viewtopic.php?t=20293 was an example thread on early lease termination. OP, should consult their lease contract on what their options are and what they'd owe in each case. I don't have the bandwidth to write on this further as I'm getting on a plane Wednesday afternoon to go to CES.

I don't think the situation will be pretty: either lease takeover w/the stupid policy where the OP is still responsible or the OP will take a huge bath OR OP actually makes serious attempts to make the Leaf work for them, which may include possibly not leaving a lot of unused capacity on the table, preheating, driving slower, using Leaf Spy, etc.

More threads can be found by Googling and Binging for queries like these:
site:mynissanleaf.com early termination lease

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Re: Returning a leased Leaf after 3 weeks

Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:30 am

Surely there is more to be told about what is happening here. I have a 24 kWh Leaf which I have owned and driven for 3 years. On it's worst day, I can easily drive over 60 miles in freeway conditions. I think we need more information about this specific vehicle (battery, year, model, condition issues), location, driving conditions, anything unusual about the route, etc.

And yes, the penalty for an early lease return like this will surely be ugly. The real question, though, is whether there is actually something wrong with the vehicle. This account of it's performance is not making sense to me.
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