DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Used Leaf prep

Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:25 pm

Snlj wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
you really need to post your location

http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2017/02 ... guide.html


Thanks! I hadn't come across this page yet.

I'm in Wisconsin.

EDIT:

Thank you for documenting all of this information!! Seriously, you're a wealth of knowledge!


You are welcome! I was posting to about 15 different EV sites but something happened to my script and now it doesn't work anymore so I only manually post now and I think I only did like 4 or 5 for this one.

There are other things to consider like range, down the road plans, etc. but assuming you have all that figured out, this is a good start!
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles. 2016 S30; 13001 miles. 363 GIDs, Ahr 82.34, Hx; 102ish% kwh 28.1 QCs 112
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Re: Used Leaf prep

Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:53 pm

mrringtone wrote:Keep in mind that the Nissan leaf has terrible resale value. If you want the 2013 or 2014 because of the 6.6 kWh charging...

Charging rate/speed and power is measured in kW, NOT kWh.

Battery capacity and energy are measured in kWh. '11 thru '15 Leafs come with a 24 kWh battery with about 21-22 kWh usable when new.

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powersurge
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Re: Used Leaf prep

Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:32 am

Snlj wrote:
powersurge wrote:If you are willing to put down almost $15,000 on a used Leaf, I would highly recommend that you do not do this until you price a NEW Leaf... A brand new S leaf would run about 29-30, minus the federal and state rebates, and the Nissan rebates when you get 0% financing.

All those discounts should bring down the price of a NEW Leaf to the $18-20K range, and you would have a beautiful car of your choice with no risk, right from the factory.... Plus, you would have a 17' Leaf with good resale value or many years.

In order to Buy used, I would not spend more than $10k on a 2015 with low miles. In my opinion, a 2011-2013 should only cost $6-8K.


Thanks for the advice!

I've looked at new Leafs (starting at around $30,000) and the available rebates (around $5,000 between federal and state), and I don't think I can afford it at this time.

I'm aiming to only get a 2013 or newer. While $15,000 is a little more than I'd wanted to spend, I can be fine with it if it's the right car.

Again, thanks for the advice!


Hi again,

I just checked and if you bought a brand new Leaf for... Say.. $30k, you would get back $7,500 in Federal Taxes AND $4000 ("CAPTIVE CASH BACK"= rebate) from Nissan for financing the car. PLUS, you would get 0% financing on the full price of the car for 72 months.

SO - You would be paying $18,500 (pre tax) and no money down, free financing for 6 years... I think this is much smarter than a 2013-14 for$14,500????

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Re: Used Leaf prep

Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:06 am

i would never buy a NEW leaf. I would lease from new so I could get some nice nissan discount to keep it at the end, like I did with my 2015 S.

If was to buy, only used would be the option. Have LeafSpy Pro and a bluetooth reader handy and learn hwo to understand the numbers.. read up on some threads on what to look for.

Good luck
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RonDawg
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Re: Used Leaf prep

Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:14 pm

DuncanCunningham wrote:i would never buy a NEW leaf. I would lease from new so I could get some nice nissan discount to keep it at the end, like I did with my 2015 S.


Nissan doesn't always offer a discounted lease buyout, and even if they do sometimes it's still too much to pay. The residual on my 2012 was around $17k, NMAC offered $5k off, but ended up at CarMax first for $10k then $9700 before it disappeared from their site.
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Lease returned on 12/23/2015. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Used Leaf prep

Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:15 am

RonDawg wrote:
DuncanCunningham wrote:i would never buy a NEW leaf. I would lease from new so I could get some nice nissan discount to keep it at the end, like I did with my 2015 S.


Nissan doesn't always offer a discounted lease buyout, and even if they do sometimes it's still too much to pay. The residual on my 2012 was around $17k, NMAC offered $5k off, but ended up at CarMax first for $10k then $9700 before it disappeared from their site.


think what you want but leasing a 30 kwh LEAF now? whats it gonna be worth in 2-3 years when there will be a dozen 60 kwh options out there?
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Re: Used Leaf prep

Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:49 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:...............but leasing a 30 kwh LEAF now? whats it gonna be worth in 2-3 years when there will be a dozen 60 kwh options out there?

Indeed. And one more strategy to think about. A down payment on a lease results in a substantially lower monthly lease charge. If you later wish to extend the term of the lease, NMAC typically extends it at the current monthly charge. Between incentive discounts for a lease, immediate credit for tax rebates, buyout discounts, and low cost extensions of the term of the lease - leasing gives the "owner" many options, including significant protection against depreciation due to subsequent adjustments in market value. And, in the end, you still get to decide whether you choose to keep the vehicle or not.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Used Leaf prep

Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:00 am

Dooglas wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:...............but leasing a 30 kwh LEAF now? whats it gonna be worth in 2-3 years when there will be a dozen 60 kwh options out there?

Indeed. And one more strategy to think about. A down payment on a lease results in a substantially lower monthly lease charge. If you later wish to extend the term of the lease, NMAC typically extends it at the current monthly charge. Between incentive discounts for a lease, immediate credit for tax rebates, buyout discounts, and low cost extensions of the term of the lease - leasing gives the "owner" many options, including significant protection against depreciation due to subsequent adjustments in market value. And, in the end, you still get to decide whether you choose to keep the vehicle or not.


too many options! I can live with it! 8-)
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Re: Used Leaf prep

Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:26 pm

Dooglas wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:...............but leasing a 30 kwh LEAF now? whats it gonna be worth in 2-3 years when there will be a dozen 60 kwh options out there?

Indeed. And one more strategy to think about. A down payment on a lease results in a substantially lower monthly lease charge. If you later wish to extend the term of the lease, NMAC typically extends it at the current monthly charge. Between incentive discounts for a lease, immediate credit for tax rebates, buyout discounts, and low cost extensions of the term of the lease - leasing gives the "owner" many options, including significant protection against depreciation due to subsequent adjustments in market value. And, in the end, you still get to decide whether you choose to keep the vehicle or not.


Just remember that if the car gets totaled, the down payment is lost. So don't make a down payment larger than you are willing to use to gamble on the above factors. $2k is the most I'd risk.
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Re: Used Leaf prep

Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:41 pm

Hi Everybody,

Thanks so much for all of your feedback and suggestions!

I'm in the process of closing on a 2013 SL which was originally on lease in Massachusetts. It has 15,000 miles on it and all of its capacity bars. All things considered, this is as good of a situation as I was imagining getting into a used Leaf. I was able to significantly broaden my search when I realized that I could have any car I purchased delivered to me, rather than needing to drive it home from the point of sale.

Again, thanks for all of the advice!

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