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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Mon May 08, 2017 7:40 am

Myth835 wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Myth835 wrote:I was just offered a brand new 2017 Leaf for $16250 from the local ev selling dealership. Are the dealerships that worry the market for < 100 mile Leafs is going to change overnight? Is there any truth in the rumor that Nissan is going to release the 2018 Leaf same time Tesla release the Model 3?


I take it that is the price after incentives? My buy price was $17½K leased in Nov


No incentives price, I am a resident of Louisiana the dealer is in Texas and I don't make enough to claim the tax credit. $16250 + tax title license is the offered price.
If brand new it is a great price. For those people able to take advantage of the $7500 tax credit it would be under $9k ... which makes me skeptical that the car is really brand new and never titled. For you though, since you cannot take advantage of the federal credit it remains a great deal.

You should know that the federal tax credit is NOT all or nothing; any federal tax liability you have below $7500 would be erased so it that matters, check the car title before purchase. LA used to have an EV state tax credit; I'm not sure about the current state of affairs.
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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Mon May 08, 2017 7:51 am

If you don't have sufficient tax liability to take a significant advantage of the $7500 tax credit, you might consider leasing. NMAC typically passes on the full $7500 credit in the form of capital cost reduction on top of whatever discount on selling price you have negotiated with the dealer (the car is still being sold, just to NMAC instead of you personally).

Best to avoid putting any money down in a lease as that is sunk money if the car is totaled in an accident. I understand multiple security deposits can reduce the money factor though.

Normally I wouldn't consider leasing, but in the case of the LEAF in particular, the economics can work out favorably.
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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Mon May 08, 2017 10:43 am

At this point in the technology maturation cycle for the LEAF, and other EVs, leasing is your best solution.
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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Mon May 08, 2017 12:14 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Myth835 wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
I take it that is the price after incentives? My buy price was $17½K leased in Nov


No incentives price, I am a resident of Louisiana the dealer is in Texas and I don't make enough to claim the tax credit. $16250 + tax title license is the offered price.
If brand new it is a great price. For those people able to take advantage of the $7500 tax credit it would be under $9k ... which makes me skeptical that the car is really brand new and never titled. For you though, since you cannot take advantage of the federal credit it remains a great deal.

You should know that the federal tax credit is NOT all or nothing; any federal tax liability you have below $7500 would be erased so it that matters, check the car title before purchase. LA used to have an EV state tax credit; I'm not sure about the current state of affairs.


Last nite there was over "25" 2017 Nissan Leafs listed as new at Nissan dealers in 5 different states on the auto trader website . S and SV models from $14,900 to $20,000.

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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Mon May 08, 2017 1:33 pm

Myth835 wrote:Last nite there was over "25" 2017 Nissan Leafs listed as new at Nissan dealers in 5 different states on the auto trader website . S and SV models from $14,900 to $20,000.


Those a great prices if they are pre-tax-credit.

Last year those were typical prices post tax-credit and incentives. From reading posts here going back several years, it always seemed a new mid-trim LEAF worked out to about $20K after factoring in all discounts, incentives, rebates, and tax credits / exemptions, sales tax, etc. Thus it was no surprise used ones were selling for half that or less.
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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Wed May 10, 2017 4:48 am

gshepherd wrote:If you don't have sufficient tax liability to take a significant advantage of the $7500 tax credit, you might consider leasing. NMAC typically passes on the full $7500 credit in the form of capital cost reduction on top of whatever discount on selling price you have negotiated with the dealer (the car is still being sold, just to NMAC instead of you personally).

Best to avoid putting any money down in a lease as that is sunk money if the car is totaled in an accident. I understand multiple security deposits can reduce the money factor though.

Normally I wouldn't consider leasing, but in the case of the LEAF in particular, the economics can work out favorably.


when I leased, money factor was so low it was a non issue. total rent charge on a 3 year, zero down lease was $0 something. effective interest rate was like .03% or something like that. IOW; nearly nothing. No reason to put a down payment if you don't have to.

interested to find out what the money factor is now.
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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Mon May 15, 2017 5:37 pm

The money factor is .003 as of yesterday in southern California for top tier credit on an S. It was higher for the sv and sl. Like the guy said before in the topic .003 is less than 1 percent Apr on a loan.

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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Tue May 16, 2017 7:26 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:The 2018 Leaf is supposed to be "released" before the M3 becomes available, in September. It won't be on lots, though, you will have to order one. Whether or not that really "beats" the M3 delivery is open to debate.


Will still beat the T3 but actually "announced" in Sept, available Q1 2018

In 3/2016 Tesla first revealed the Model 3 and said customer deliveries would start Q4 2017.

Last month, Tesla updated the timeline:

First cars to owner employees in July
1000 cars a week in August
2000 cars a week in September
5000 cars a week by end of 2017
10,000 cars a week sometime in 2018

With some 400 - 500k reservations, the production ramp is a whole lot more important than when the first cars are delivered.
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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Thu May 18, 2017 8:18 am

SageBrush wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:The 2018 Leaf is supposed to be "released" before the M3 becomes available, in September. It won't be on lots, though, you will have to order one. Whether or not that really "beats" the M3 delivery is open to debate.


Will still beat the T3 but actually "announced" in Sept, available Q1 2018

In 3/2016 Tesla first revealed the Model 3 and said customer deliveries would start Q4 2017.

Last month, Tesla updated the timeline:

First cars to owner employees in July
1000 cars a week in August
2000 cars a week in September
5000 cars a week by end of 2017
10,000 cars a week sometime in 2018

With some 400 - 500k reservations, the production ramp is a whole lot more important than when the first cars are delivered.


so what yer saying is "excepting a teeny tiny sliver of reality" my statement is still correct? I get that right?
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Re: 2017 Leaf prices

Thu May 18, 2017 8:25 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:so what yer saying is "excepting a teeny tiny sliver of reality" my statement is still correct? I get that right?

Sorry, you got it wrong. Again. You said "Will still beat the T3 but actually "announced" in Sept, available Q1 2018."

Leaf-2 will not beat Tesla Model 3 to market
Leaf-2 will not come close to Tesla's ramp-up, or diffusion across the country.

I fully expect Leaf-2 to be a mostly compliance car. California (and maybe Oregon and Washington) will get the lion's share of a low volume production for a couple months, followed by CARB states. A year later a few cars will trickle into the rest of the country for PR sake.

Tesla appears to be gearing up to make 50k Model 3 by the end of 2017, and then 5,000 - 10,000 cars a week in 2018.. They may divert some production to Europe if needed in order to avoid crossing the threshold for the start of the reduction of the federal tax credit until 1/1/2018 so that all deliveries through 5/30/2018 are eligible for the US federal tax credit $7,500. I estimate 100,000 Model 3 delivered by the time Leaf-2 hits 5,000.

Tesla is sucking up all the oxygen in the room. I'm not sure any compliance car manufacturing will survive in 2018.
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