HomerCooper
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Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:27 am

Hello I'm from Minnesota,US. Looking at getting a used leaf. I'm apox 40mins west of the cites.
My daily commute is 4 miles. I avg 50 mile a week.
A quick charger is apox 5 miles away powered by solar. $12/hr.
2013 or newer.

Questions
How well does this car handle winter. Snow/ice etc?

What models should i look for?
SV id assume as id like the lvl 3 port.

Whats a good price?


Can basic work like tires and brakes be done at a std shop. As the nearest leaf dealer is in the cities 40 miles away.

cwerdna
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Re: Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:34 am

Welcome!

Can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it.
HomerCooper wrote:2013 or newer.
...
What models should i look for?
SV id assume as id like the lvl 3 port.

Whats a good price?

'13 SV does NOT come with quick charge (CHAdeMO) inlet. To get that, you need one of these for a '13 (and should be the same for '14):
- S trim w/charge package
- SV trim w/LED headlights + quick charge package (I just call it QC + LED package)
- SL trim

See Specs tab of http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... -press-kit. See packages at the bottom of Specs page. You should be able to find press kits for others years by merely changing the year in the above URL.

As for price, every market is different. Here are some in my area, for reference: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/cta ... _year=2013. Change the model year on the left to what you desire.

DC fast charging is often (incorrectly) called "level 3". It makes some sense since it's higher and faster than 2...

Yes, tires can be done anywhere that sells and installs tires.

'13 blue Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 blue Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

LeftieBiker
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Re: Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:21 am

He's in Minnesota, Cwerdna.

You want an SV because it comes with a heatpump that uses much less power for heating than an S, except in frigid weather. You want one built after march of 2013, for better battery life. With your low range needs, I suggest you look for one with one 'capacity bar' already lost - they cost less. You could also get one with two bars lost, but most of those are early builds that would tend to keep losing bars.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

cwerdna
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Re: Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:58 am

LeftieBiker wrote:He's in Minnesota, Cwerdna.

I know, but having it in one's user info is much easier if this thread gets long, they start new threads or post elsewhere.

'13 blue Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 blue Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
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HomerCooper
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Re: Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:17 am

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Local Leaf in my area selling for $10k
2014 SV

jjeff
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Leaf Number: 422121
Location: MSP MN

Re: Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:54 am

HomerCooper wrote:Hello I'm from Minnesota,US. Looking at getting a used leaf. I'm apox 40mins west of the cites.
My daily commute is 4 miles. I avg 50 mile a week.
A quick charger is apox 5 miles away powered by solar. $12/hr.
2013 or newer.

Questions
How well does this car handle winter. Snow/ice etc?

What models should i look for?
SV id assume as id like the lvl 3 port.

Whats a good price?


Can basic work like tires and brakes be done at a std shop. As the nearest leaf dealer is in the cities 40 miles away.

With your distances, any Leaf would work. Even with a S model(no heat pump) in the worst bitter cold sub zero temps, I never saw less than ~35-40 miles range. Other than that winter range is generally 60 miles winter and 70+ summer.
$12/hr sounds crazy high, even for a QC, plugging in at home should cost less than $1, but it's your choice. Many of the public L2s around here are free, it's best to get a Leaf with the faster 6.6kw charger to double your charging speed on such charges. With the 6.6kw charger it takes just a little over 3hrs to full charge, about double wiith the 3.3kw charger.
The Leaf handles quite well in snow ice, better than our other cars. That said it's not a SUV or Pickup and your somewhat limited by the normalish height(for a sedan) so don't expect to be able to drive through 6-12" of snow. Handling on ice is "OK" with the factory Ecopia tires, MUCH better with snow/ice tires but expect a range drop up to 10% as they aren't as efficient as the OEM tires.
As Leftie said, the SV or SL have the more efficient heat pump. In your case it sounds like range is of very little concern so I wouldn't overlook the S(I have one) but if you do I'd strongly suggest one with the "charger" package which gives you the double speed L2 as well as QC port you asked about. I use preheat with my S along with steering wheel and seat heat, so I don't end up using my heater all that much. The heat pump is nice for coolish days or foggy days though, but if range is of little concern again the S might be OK. Oh if CC is a must, stick with the SV or above, no cruise on a older S.
Prices really vary but $10k for a 12 bar SV isn't terrible, just make sure it's got a QC if thats important. I'd think you could get a 12 bar S w/QC for a grand or more less. Not a lot of "great" deals currently on Leafs in MSP, in fact prices seem to have risen several thousand dollars since winter.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
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HomerCooper
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Re: Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:30 am

Just looking at this point considering my options.
Does the 6.6KW charger require a custom install then? 30amp breaker and all that
3.3kw is just 110v.

jjeff
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Re: Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:30 am

HomerCooper wrote:Just looking at this point considering my options.
Does the 6.6KW charger require a custom install then? 30amp breaker and all that
3.3kw is just 110v.

You'd need a 40a breaker to be able to charge at 6.6kw at home, most commercial L2 stations are capable of that.
With a 3.3kw Leaf your maximum charge rate would be 16a @ 240v and require a 20a circuit.
Charging at 120v(which can be done with any Leaf) is only 1.4kw and quite slow(about 20hrs from an almost dead battery to full.
Charging is always the lowest of either your EVSE(the part you plug in the wall) or vehicle charger(the part built in your car). If you have a 6.6kw charger but only a 3.3kw EVSE, your Leaf will only charge at the 3.3kw rate. Same thing for using a 6.6kw EVSE on a Leaf with only a 3.3kw charger, it will only max out at 3.3kw.
Obviously if you plug a 6.6kw EVSE into a 6.6kw Leaf charger but your only on a 20a circuit, your home circuit breaker will blow. Your circuit breaker is only rated for 80% of it's maximum draw. That is a 20a breaker will only supply 16a continuously while a 30a breaker will only supply 24a continuously, hence the need for a 40a breaker for a device like a 6.6kw charger that will draw 27.5a continuously, it's a tad too high for a 30a breaker.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

HomerCooper
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Re: Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:41 am

Ah Ok, So a custom install would be required then. what would that cost?
Does Nissan set that up even if bought used via a dealer?
Wayzata Nissan seems to be the only place that deals with Leafs.

jjeff
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Re: Considering a used LEAF

Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:53 am

HomerCooper wrote:Ah Ok, So a custom install would be required then. what would that cost?
Does Nissan set that up even if bought used via a dealer?
Wayzata Nissan seems to be the only place that deals with Leafs.

Wayzata is a decent place to get a used Leaf, I purchased my '12 from them.
Installing a 240v circuit has lots of variables, can cost anywhere from a couple hundred dollars to thousands of dollars. You'd really need an electrician or someone knowledgeable in wiring to look at things. Note with your limited mileage you could also just get by with 120v home charging, many people do, and just use QC in a pinch or faster L2 chargers at places like HiVee or even Wayzata Nissan, who has both QC and fast L2. The reason I like the 6.6kw Leafs is I can plug into a fast L2 charge station for just an hour and gain 30% charge on my battery, with a 3.3kw Leaf it would only be 15%, but again with your limited use 15% may just be fine, it's up to you.
With a S model Leaf it's either the 3.3kw charger and no QC or 6.6kw charger AND QC, with a SV they all come with a QC, it's just a matter if it has the option for the faster 6.6kw L2 charger. The SL models all come with both standard(models made after '12, before '13 they and all Leafs only had the 3.3kw charger).
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

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