sciencegirl
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Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:58 am

I am a teacher with a dream and a budget. I can buy a CPO 2013 from a NIssan dealer for 9k or and equivalent car from a little roadside, independent used car dealer for 8K. Both cars have about 40k miles on them.

So, I thought - no brainer, save 1k and get the 8k one, right?

According to the carfax on the 8K car - I would be the 3rd owner. I read somewhere (I am on Leaf info overload and it's starting to just melt my brain) - that the warranty is transferable to the second owner.

Does this mean that if I'm the 3rd owner, my battery won't be covered for the remainder of the 96/100k battery warranty?

Help!

Durandal
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Re: Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:00 am

Warranty is irrespective of the number of owners, so all other things the same, the number of owners is irrelevant.
Pulled the trigger on going EV on 10/2016 with a 2012 Leaf, and a Tesla Model 3 reservation expected to receive in June 2018.

joeriv
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Re: Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:27 am

Without evaluating each battery you are not making an informed choice - the difference between the two could be the deciding factor.
2017 Leaf S with QC, JUN mfg date

sciencegirl
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Re: Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:45 am

Indeed I am very green to this (pun intended).

One car has a manufacture date of 10/1/13 the other 11/14/13. I will be looking at each car over the next few days.
I"ll see the max charge/bars each is getting and miles.

I don't imagine either dealer would allow me to use Leafspy, would they?

What else should I do?

There's also a 2014 with a manufacture date of 2/14 that I might consider, but figured with that date of manu, I may as well lump it in as equivalent with the other two.

My apologies for what may be newbie questions - I am indeed a newbie and am experiencing information overload.

magico13
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Re: Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:09 am

The dealership I bought from was fine with me using LeafSpy and the other I was in talks with was willing to send me the LeafSpy data before I even saw the car. It doesn't hurt to ask, but it does hurt to not ask.
2015 SV w/ QC

SageBrush
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Re: Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:42 am

Be devious: tell the dealership you want to verify that the car does not have any engine codes (which should also be true.) Plug in your obdII adapter and read it with LeafSpy.

The non LeafSpy approach is to use a test drive to evaluate the battery health:
Charge up the car to 80% SoC;
Reset the trip meter so you know the miles/kWh for your test drive;
Note the start odometer;
Go for a 30ish mile drive (more is better)
Note the end SoC
Note the end odometer reading

Start with these values from the trip
delta_soc
trip_miles
Miles_per_kWh

Calculate kWh_used: trip_miles / miles_per_kWh
Then calculate delta_soc / kWh_used. A new car is ~ 4.5% SoC per kWh

The lower the better. The ratio between two cars shows the relative battery health between them
Regarding the trip: longer is better; and best to start with the same-ish SoC in each car and drive ~ the same distance.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:55 pm

sciencegirl wrote:Indeed I am very green to this (pun intended).

One car has a manufacture date of 10/1/13 the other 11/14/13. I will be looking at each car over the next few days.
I"ll see the max charge/bars each is getting and miles.

I don't imagine either dealer would allow me to use Leafspy, would they?

What else should I do?

There's also a 2014 with a manufacture date of 2/14 that I might consider, but figured with that date of manu, I may as well lump it in as equivalent with the other two.

My apologies for what may be newbie questions - I am indeed a newbie and am experiencing information overload.


Having been bitten by this, I would prefer the 2013's over the 2014 model, since they took away the 80% charge limiter starting in 2014. Nissan is convinced that it's fine to charge to 100% on a daily basis and manually limiting your charge on days when you might not drive it. I prefer the piece-of-mind of plug-it-and-forget-it, because I have a few weekends when I don't drive more than only a few miles and am too lazy to unplug on those days. So this really depends on your driving routine.
[2013 leaf traded for 2016 leaf S30:
build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
1 May 2017 - 7300 miles & 363 GIDs
6 Sep 2017 - 13k miles & 359 GIDs]

LeftieBiker
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Re: Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:44 pm

Going by manufacture date, both cars are fine. They also both avoided the Hot Summer of 2013. If both show 12 capacity bars, assume 11 bars plus a little for both. If there is no reason to suspect tampering with the capacity reading, pick the car you prefer.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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baustin
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Re: Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:07 pm

First, the warranty issue. Original bumper to bumper warranty is 36 months, 36,000 miles. The degradation warranty for the main battery pack is 60/60k. The battery defect warranty (not likely to apply) is 96/100k. Due to their age, the degradation warranty is the only one to worry about at this time. As long as the car does not have a salvage title, the original warranties apply to any owner of the vehicle.

Most dealers are not concerned with the use of Leaf Spy. If they are, you probably don't want to deal with them. Leaf Spy tells you a lot about the health of the battery, but the output is not officially recognized by Nissan as being useful for anything. The numbers to be concerned with are AHr, SOH, and Hx. The higher the numbers, the better. Get a CarFax, or something that shows where the car has spent its life. Avoid anything has has been in a warmer, or hot, climate (Florida, Arizona, Nevada, etc.). This is a big factor affecting the life of the main battery.

Don't let the removal of the 80% charge option sway you. It is okay to charge to 100% every time. In fact, it needs done on a regular basis to balance the cells in the main battery pack. What is not okay is to let the battery sit at 100% charge (or below 20%) for extended periods of time, especially in hot weather. What works well, for many, is to use the charge timer so the car is ready to go within an hour or two of departure. As long as the commute gets the charge level down near 80% (or below), sitting at work all day should not be an issue.
2013 Leaf SV - Cayenne Red - QC Port - LED Headlights

LeftieBiker
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Re: Warranty confusion - Help!

Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:24 pm

Don't let the removal of the 80% charge option sway you. It is okay to charge to 100% every time. In fact, it needs done on a regular basis to balance the cells in the main battery pack. What is not okay is to let the battery sit at 100% charge (or below 20%) for extended periods of time, especially in hot weather. What works well, for many, is to use the charge timer so the car is ready to go within an hour or two of departure. As long as the commute gets the charge level down near 80% (or below), sitting at work all day should not be an issue.


It's so much more convenient to be able to have my car set to charge to 80% normally, and to 100% when I press Timer Override, that I can't agree with the above. The only situation in which I don't see the 80% option not mattering is one in which the car needs to be charged to 100% anyway on most days.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

The most offensive, tasteless phrase in use here is "Pulled the trigger." I no longer respond to posts that use it.

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