ShayeraHol
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PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:38 pm

Hi,

I am interested in purchasing a used 2015 Nissan Leaf SV for $13,750 no haggle with 10,000 miles on it. It comes with only one key.

The basic warranty has expired, but I'm getting an extended one through the dealer.

I'm confused on how many bars it has left. On the carfax report, it stated that the battery was replaced.

Here is a picture of how many bars are left.

https://cdnblob.carvana.io/2000073124/p ... 1609004428

Is this a good deal? Any tips before buying?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

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keydiver
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Re: PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:41 pm

That picture does indicate it still has all 12 capacity bars, but I would still take the VIN to a local Nissan tech and check the history. Make sure it wasn't the 12 volt battery. ;)
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LeftieBiker
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Re: PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:42 pm

It has 12 capacity bars showing, and given the mileage and the fact that it's a 2015, the pack should be ok, although I'd use LeafSpy on it anyway if possible. The "battery" that was replaced was undoubtedly the 12 volt accessory battery.
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ShayeraHol
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Re: PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:04 pm

@keydriver and @LeftieBiker Thank you sooo much for your reply!

Could you explain to me what is wrong with the 12 Volt battery?

I googled it and it said the 2015 has 24 kWh 360 V lithium-ion battery pack.

ShayeraHol
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Re: PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:05 pm

keydiver wrote:That picture does indicate it still has all 12 capacity bars, but I would still take the VIN to a local Nissan tech and check the history. Make sure it wasn't the 12 volt battery. ;)


@keydriver Thank you sooo much for your reply!

Could you explain to me what is wrong with the 12 Volt battery?

I googled it and it said the 2015 has 24 kWh 360 V lithium-ion battery pack.

ShayeraHol
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Re: PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:09 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:It has 12 capacity bars showing, and given the mileage and the fact that it's a 2015, the pack should be ok, although I'd use LeafSpy on it anyway if possible. The "battery" that was replaced was undoubtedly the 12 volt accessory battery.



Thanks again for your reply!!!!

What makes you so sure it has the 12 Volt replacement?

Thaks for your recommendation I just downloaded the LeafSpy app.

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Re: PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:41 pm

The 12 volt battery is just a normal car battery. It runs all the accessories and is completely different from the 400 volt battery that runs the motor. Carfax is not smart enough to distinguish between the two, but it would be almost out of the realm of possibility that the battery pack ($6500 part) was replaced at under 10k miles.

This car has plenty of life left in it.
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ShayeraHol
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Re: PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:46 pm

pyromancy5 wrote:The 12 volt battery is just a normal car battery. It runs all the accessories and is completely different from the 400 volt battery that runs the motor. Carfax is not smart enough to distinguish between the two, but it would be almost out of the realm of possibility that the battery pack ($6500 part) was replaced at under 10k miles.

This car has plenty of life left in it.


Thank you for replying!

How do I check to see if it is a 12 volt battery or a Lizard battery?
I don't understand why they would replace the battery when it has only 10,000 miles on it.

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Re: PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:25 pm

ShayeraHol wrote:Thank you for replying!

How do I check to see if it is a 12 volt battery or a Lizard battery?
I don't understand why they would replace the battery when it has only 10,000 miles on it.


Every LEAF has TWO batteries. A high voltage (HV) battery used to run the car. That's the "24KWh 360V" battery you mentioned. They also have a regular old 12v car battery like every gasoline car has to run things like the lights and entertainment system. The 12v battery can fail and need replacement because of factory defects, or be ruined by being run down too many times.

The HV battery could fail because of factory defects, but it is most unlikely. More likely the 12v battery was replaced.
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LeftieBiker
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Re: PLS HELP! Buying a USED leaf

Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:15 pm

This is going to be a looong thread, I think...

Unless you have strong reason to suspect the ethics of the dealership, the car should be good. The fact that it seems to have a new 12 volt battery is a good thing, not a bad one. Some cars have their capacity bars reset at auction when they have lost one or more, but a 2015 with 10,000 miles is not likely to be one of those. If you can find out, via Carfax, where the car originally resided, then we can tell you, going by the climate there, how likely the battery is to be close to losing that 12th capacity bar.

Make sure that the extended warranty covers the climate control system, or it isn't worth the money. It will NOT, even if a salesperson tells you otherwise, cover the battery capacity.

Getting a second key and having it programmed for the car will cost you about $300. If the warranty costs more than $1000, I suggest you bank that money instead and buy a second key.
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