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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Mon May 14, 2018 11:39 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:So you were mistaken when you said the credit was back on the site? I don't want to waste time there if it isn't necessary.


Nope, its there. I would post pix but I am no longer allowed. As far as credit, you got the standard deal. For May its $5575 for S, $3175 for SV and $2775 for SL and that is straight from the dealer's mouth. (a VERY trusted one)


Dave, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Anyone BUYING a Leaf can get the credit if they qualify, and anyone leasing a Leaf S can get the credit for the lease, but there is no more tax credit passed on for those leasing an SV or SL. Instead you get much less in CCR from Nissan. If you think otherwise, please post a link or screenshot to prove it.
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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Tue May 15, 2018 12:09 am

A little of topic, but why would anyone buy or lease a 2018 LEAF right now (other than potentially missing out on the fed tax rebate, of course)? Why not wait until early 2019, after the 2019 MY has been out for a bit, to see what sort of fire sales Nissan dealerships have on 2018 inventory.

If I were contemplating a new LEAF (I'm not) and my current lease was terminating now and I needed an EV, I would take-over someone else's lease - one that has less than a year of payments remaining. Just one example (WA LEAF):

http://www.swapalease.com/lease/details ... id=1248086

That way, you could either pickup a cheap(ish) 2018 in Q1/Q2 2019, or just get the 2019 MY instead.
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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Tue May 15, 2018 12:31 am

alozzy wrote:A little of topic, but why would anyone buy or lease a 2018 LEAF right now (other than potentially missing out on the fed tax rebate, of course)? Why not wait until early 2019, after the 2019 MY has been out for a bit, to see what sort of fire sales Nissan dealerships have on 2018 inventory.

If I were contemplating a new LEAF (I'm not) and my current lease was terminating now and I needed an EV, I would take-over someone else's lease - one that has less than a year of payments remaining. Just one example (WA LEAF):

http://www.swapalease.com/lease/details ... id=1248086

That way, you could either pickup a cheap(ish) 2018 in Q1/Q2 2019, or just get the 2019 MY instead.


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*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Tue May 15, 2018 6:07 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:So you were mistaken when you said the credit was back on the site? I don't want to waste time there if it isn't necessary.


Nope, its there. I would post pix but I am no longer allowed. As far as credit, you got the standard deal. For May its $5575 for S, $3175 for SV and $2775 for SL and that is straight from the dealer's mouth. (a VERY trusted one)


Dave, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Anyone BUYING a Leaf can get the credit if they qualify, and anyone leasing a Leaf S can get the credit for the lease, but there is no more tax credit passed on for those leasing an SV or SL. Instead you get much less in CCR from Nissan. If you think otherwise, please post a link or screenshot to prove it.


I can't believe you would spend this much energy calling me out when it would take you 2 mins to verify this on your own

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fFCHfS ... sp=sharing
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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Tue May 15, 2018 1:13 pm

alozzy wrote:A little of topic, but why would anyone buy or lease a 2018 LEAF right now (other than potentially missing out on the fed tax rebate, of course)? Why not wait until early 2019, after the 2019 MY has been out for a bit, to see what sort of fire sales Nissan dealerships have on 2018 inventory.

If I were contemplating a new LEAF (I'm not) and my current lease was terminating now and I needed an EV, I would take-over someone else's lease - one that has less than a year of payments remaining. Just one example (WA LEAF):

http://www.swapalease.com/lease/details ... id=1248086

That way, you could either pickup a cheap(ish) 2018 in Q1/Q2 2019, or just get the 2019 MY instead.


Yes, brilliant idea. Except that there are no leases with one year left around here, and I needed a car this Spring, not next Winter.
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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Tue May 15, 2018 1:18 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Nope, its there. I would post pix but I am no longer allowed. As far as credit, you got the standard deal. For May its $5575 for S, $3175 for SV and $2775 for SL and that is straight from the dealer's mouth. (a VERY trusted one)


Dave, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Anyone BUYING a Leaf can get the credit if they qualify, and anyone leasing a Leaf S can get the credit for the lease, but there is no more tax credit passed on for those leasing an SV or SL. Instead you get much less in CCR from Nissan. If you think otherwise, please post a link or screenshot to prove it.


I can't believe you would spend this much energy calling me out when it would take you 2 mins to verify this on your own

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fFCHfS ... sp=sharing


And yet you can't seem to post a link to Nissan's site, just what appears to be a cached image from Google. I posted the actual terms for an SL, from the actual Nissan site, taken this week. I'll do it again:

Lease Offer
$355 Per Month Lease

For 36 Months

Nissan LEAF SL
Excludes taxes, title, and license. $3,979 initial payment required at consummation. (Includes $3,624 consumer down payment, $355 first month payment.) (INCLUDES $2,725 manufacturer's rebate applied to $355/Month lease. Offer valid only when financed through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation.) Subject to residency restrictions. 2018 LEAF SL Lease model 17218 subject to availability to well-qualified lessees through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation. $37,085 MSRP incl. destination charge. Net capitalized cost of $29,416 includes a $595 non-refundable acquisition fee. Dealer contribution may affect actual price set by dealer. Monthly payments total $12,780 At lease end, purchase for $16,688, plus purchase option fee up to $300 (except KS & WI), plus tax, or pay excess wear & use plus $0.15 per mile for mileage over 12,000 miles per year. Lessee is responsible for maintenance and repairs. A disposition fee is due at termination of lease term. No security deposit required. Must take delivery from new dealer stock. See participating dealer for details. Offer ends 05/31/2018.


No Federal tax credit applied. Since you are the one who claims that the credit is still being passed on with all models, you are the one who should document that. I did look, and see no such thing.
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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Tue May 15, 2018 2:09 pm

@LeftieBiker No need to be snarky...

Perhaps you're unwilling to go in on a short-term ICE lease takeover, in which case finding a short-term EV lease takeover is harder but not impossible. Otherwise, here's a good example of an ICE takeover option in your area: http://www.swapalease.com/lease/details ... id=1241462

Best of luck, whatever you decide.
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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Tue May 15, 2018 2:51 pm

It's hard not to be "snarky" when you don't seem to have noticed that I've been posting about my 2018 SL for over about two weeks, all over the site. I've decided. I could actually have driven my housemate's 2013 Prius PHEV when needed, but I dislike that car and since I don't know that I'll even be alive and able to drive next year, it would have been foolish to not get another EV now. Tempus fugit.

My mood isn't helped by the fact that the latest windows "update" corrupted my Windows startup files, and I'm running in Safe Mode, with barely readable text, while I try to figure out how to fix the damage that this unrequested "update" has done to my system. I'm a little too busy to go and do Dave's research for him.
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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Tue May 15, 2018 6:38 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:
Dave, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Anyone BUYING a Leaf can get the credit if they qualify, and anyone leasing a Leaf S can get the credit for the lease, but there is no more tax credit passed on for those leasing an SV or SL. Instead you get much less in CCR from Nissan. If you think otherwise, please post a link or screenshot to prove it.


I can't believe you would spend this much energy calling me out when it would take you 2 mins to verify this on your own

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fFCHfS ... sp=sharing


And yet you can't seem to post a link to Nissan's site, just what appears to be a cached image from Google. I posted the actual terms for an SL, from the actual Nissan site, taken this week. I'll do it again:

Lease Offer
$355 Per Month Lease

For 36 Months

Nissan LEAF SL
Excludes taxes, title, and license. $3,979 initial payment required at consummation. (Includes $3,624 consumer down payment, $355 first month payment.) (INCLUDES $2,725 manufacturer's rebate applied to $355/Month lease. Offer valid only when financed through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation.) Subject to residency restrictions. 2018 LEAF SL Lease model 17218 subject to availability to well-qualified lessees through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation. $37,085 MSRP incl. destination charge. Net capitalized cost of $29,416 includes a $595 non-refundable acquisition fee. Dealer contribution may affect actual price set by dealer. Monthly payments total $12,780 At lease end, purchase for $16,688, plus purchase option fee up to $300 (except KS & WI), plus tax, or pay excess wear & use plus $0.15 per mile for mileage over 12,000 miles per year. Lessee is responsible for maintenance and repairs. A disposition fee is due at termination of lease term. No security deposit required. Must take delivery from new dealer stock. See participating dealer for details. Offer ends 05/31/2018.


No Federal tax credit applied. Since you are the one who claims that the credit is still being passed on with all models, you are the one who should document that. I did look, and see no such thing.


WTF are you talking about? We already established what each trim is getting, remember?

viewtopic.php?p=527266#p527266

The screenshot I posted was taken from Nissan website THIS morning. If you want a link, fine

https://www.nissanusa.com/pe-nissan/lea ... &trimName=
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Re: 2018 Leaf buy or lease

Tue May 15, 2018 9:25 pm

I don't know why I waste my time here, responding to...bloggers. As I have written, including in the topic specifically about this, NMAC no longer passes on the full $7500 tax credit to lessees. Instead, they keep the $7500 and give a much lower CCR. This is exactly what GM does with the Bolt, and both companies seem to be happy with the arrangement, in part because bloggers like you don't seem to even grasp the facts of the situation. I'll post the text of the popup with the details for the Leaf SV lease you linked, but I don't think you will see the problem. You see the deceptive wording on the site about leases including the $7500 credit, and you just swallow it without looking at the actual numbers. Which is odd, because a few posts up you seem to acknowledge its disappearance.


LEASE OFFER
Excludes taxes, title, and license. $3,979 initial payment required at consummation. (Includes $3,670 consumer down payment, $309 first month payment.) (INCLUDES $3,150 manufacturer's rebate applied to $309/Month lease. Offer valid only when financed through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation.) Subject to residency restrictions. 2018 LEAF SV Lease model 17118 subject to availability to well-qualified lessees through Nissan Motor Acceptance Corporation. $33,375 MSRP incl. destination charge. Net capitalized cost of $25,436 includes a $595 non-refundable acquisition fee. Dealer contribution may affect actual price set by dealer. Monthly payments total $11,124 At lease end, purchase for $14,351, plus purchase option fee up to $300 (except KS & WI), plus tax, or pay excess wear & use plus $0.15 per mile for mileage over 12,000 miles per year. Lessee is responsible for maintenance and repairs. A disposition fee is due at termination of lease term. No security deposit required. Must take delivery from new dealer stock. See participating dealer for details. Offer ends 05/31/2018.

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