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Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:14 pm

EV Tax Credit is ending soon.

Between the higher prices they cost, the extra home charging equipment they need, and the reluctance or reticence we all have about purchasing them, buying an electric car nowadays does present its challenges. As if the car purchasing process isn’t complicated enough, the prices of some of the most popular EV models presently offered are about to become more painfully expensive unless Congress does something about it.

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What do you think the Congress should do? Prolong the EV Tax Credit or decrease is gradually?
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Re: Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:36 pm

Congress should do nothing IMO. (and Congress seems to be very good at doing nothing)

Let the EV credit taper off as scheduled. The credit should only be to jump start the manufacturers into the market, not a permanent revenue stream.

If Congress wants to continue discouraging gas over and supporting electric then an additional 5 cents can be added to the gas/diesel fuel tax each year.
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Re: Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:07 pm

While I appreciate the tax credit and Calif. rebate allowing me to buy a better car, I do concur that much higher gas taxes would be a better long term approach to converting the country to EV.

However, for that approach to work, the gas tax pain has to become quite substantial. Here in Calif., we have higher gas taxes and regulatory costs contributing to us having average gas prices 28% higher than the national average (as of AAA 6/26 data). I haven't seen a large portion of the people here fretting over that extra 82 cents per gallon cost of gas and shying away from the mega-SUVs. So an extra 5 cents isn't going to cut it. The increase will need to be multiple dollars per gallon. Good luck getting that through Congress.
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Re: Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:34 pm

Taper off the EV credit or increase the "gas guzzler" tax and apply it to all vehicles that are driven except commercial truckers. Yes even Joe Schmoe the Plumber/Handyman/Whatever that uses the F350 as his "work truck" as well as everything else should start getting 20%-25% tax on their purchase. If you get less than some magic number that increases every year, you pay the tax. This administration likes simple right?
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Re: Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:50 am

2k1Toaster wrote:... increase the "gas guzzler" tax and apply it to all vehicles that are driven except commercial truckers.

Why would you exclude commercial trucking ? Let people pay the actual cost of their consumption, and don't give truckers an incentive to continue using highly polluting vehicles.
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Re: Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:54 am

smkettner wrote:Let the EV credit taper off as scheduled. The credit should only be to jump start the manufacturers into the market, not a permanent revenue stream.

Sure, in isolation. But for now that subsidy is not even coming close to off-setting the externalized costs of petrol.
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Re: Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:32 am

DarthPuppy wrote:While I appreciate the tax credit and Calif. rebate allowing me to buy a better car, I do concur that much higher gas taxes would be a better long term approach to converting the country to EV.

However, for that approach to work, the gas tax pain has to become quite substantial. Here in Calif., we have higher gas taxes and regulatory costs contributing to us having average gas prices 28% higher than the national average (as of AAA 6/26 data). I haven't seen a large portion of the people here fretting over that extra 82 cents per gallon cost of gas and shying away from the mega-SUVs. So an extra 5 cents isn't going to cut it. The increase will need to be multiple dollars per gallon. Good luck getting that through Congress.


50 cents a year, every year, for 10 years. Painful but enough time to plan and make changes.
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Re: Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:57 pm

Nubo wrote:50 cents a year, every year, for 10 years. Painful but enough time to plan and make changes.


I concur that should be effective. Getting to a $5.00 per gallon tax by 2030ish should get the job done. But I don't see any chance of getting something like that through Congress. So the federal tax credit/state refund schemes are probably the best we will be able to accomplish. It will probably take another decade of climate change to get enough political muscle to implement such an effective gas tax approach. And by the time that happens, we would be looking at it not getting the job done until 2040ish.
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Re: Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:07 pm

SageBrush wrote:
smkettner wrote:Let the EV credit taper off as scheduled. The credit should only be to jump start the manufacturers into the market, not a permanent revenue stream.

Sure, in isolation. But for now that subsidy is not even coming close to off-setting the externalized costs of petrol.
You could make EVs free and you would not pay a nickle toward external costs.
Need to collect a tax to have users pay external costs.

5 Cents a gallon each year may not seem like much but it would accumulate faster than a failed attempt at 50 cents.
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Re: Why buying a Nissan is going to be more challenging unless Congress acts

Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:31 pm

smkettner wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
smkettner wrote:Let the EV credit taper off as scheduled. The credit should only be to jump start the manufacturers into the market, not a permanent revenue stream.

Sure, in isolation. But for now that subsidy is not even coming close to off-setting the externalized costs of petrol.
You could make EVs free and you would not pay a nickle toward external costs.
Need to collect a tax to have users pay external costs.
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What is the externalized cost of something that does not occur ?
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