cwerdna
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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:13 pm

HerdingElectrons wrote:
jdcbomb wrote:if i wait until first few months of 2019 to purchase a 2018 unit, will the tax credit have run out by then?


Which tax credit? The federal one is good until the manufacturer sells 200K vehicles & then that rebate sunsets in stages over 12 months.

The California tax rebate is very well funded & unlikely to run out anytime soon.
https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/reba ... ing-status

The PG&E rebate expires this coming Sunday IF they are your electricity supplier, otherwise you don't qualify.

And don't forget to look into this as well!

https://cleanvehiclegrants.org/apply/

I don't think jdcbomb lives in CA so PG&E, CVRP and https://cleanvehiclegrants.org/apply/ wouldn't apply. In the past, CVRP has run out of funding numerous times and put people on the waiting list in the queue/holding pattern.

For Federal tax credit on EVs/PHEVs, per https://insideevs.com/top-6-automakers- ... dit-limit/, Nissan is awhile away from hitting the 200K mark whereas Tesla has definitely hit it. Tesla even put up https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives for their vehicles.

jdcbomb: Can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it.

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cwerdna
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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:15 pm

teslaEmployee wrote:But I read that the BMS On the 2019 model will be much better.

We don't know if it'll be any better. All we know its it'll be a longer range, more powerful version, probably w/225+ miles of EPA range rating, so probably ~60 kWh.

http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... -press-kit says "Nissan will also offer a new higher power, longer range version at a higher price for the 2019 model year." http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/usa/ ... -press-kit says "Another version of the 2019 LEAF with a higher range will be introduced at a later date."

See viewtopic.php?p=532101#p532101 and viewtopic.php?p=505320#p505320.

The rest regarding LG Chem batteries, thermal management, higher power OBC, etc. is all still rumor, unless someone can point me to something official. I suspect some of it is wishful thinking and higher power OBC (if true at all) might not come to the US market.

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SageBrush
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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:27 pm

cwerdna wrote:The rest regarding LG Chem batteries, thermal management, higher power OBC, etc. is all still rumor, unless someone can point me to something official. I suspect some of it is wishful thinking and higher power OBC (if true at all) might not come to the US market.

Nissan's plans were delayed and they are now staring into the headlights of the Tesla Model 3 SR.

I don't know what they will do in 2019, but it will be different than the future talk bandied about in 2016/17
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cwerdna
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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:30 pm

SageBrush wrote:
cwerdna wrote:The rest regarding LG Chem batteries, thermal management, higher power OBC, etc. is all still rumor, unless someone can point me to something official. I suspect some of it is wishful thinking and higher power OBC (if true at all) might not come to the US market.

Nissan's plans were delayed and they are now staring into the headlights of the Tesla Model 3 SR.

I don't know what they will do in 2019...

Maybe so. If Tesla were on time w/the SR version, it would've likely even beat the 151 mile-EPA range '18 Leaf in the US market.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170731003 ... ations-faq said
Which future options will be made available to order, and when?
We are planning to introduce the following options in the coming months:

Fall 2017: White interior option, standard configuration (non-Premium Upgrades)
November 2017: Standard Battery, $35,000 car
Spring 2018: Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive

Additional options will become available over time.

Well, it's near end of Sept 2018 now and still no standard config nor standard battery is available on the 3.

It's going to get interesting... by the time 3 standard range ships (if it ever does), the Tesla tax credit (https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives) will be 1/2 or less while Nissan's will still be the full credit for awhile longer.

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EVforRobert
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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:50 pm

HerdingElectrons wrote:Yup & with that being the new Nissan Halo EV the dealers will be far less likely to discount them & may even be doing that "dealer adjusted mark-up" crap


You also have until Sunday to some extant to cash in on the "extra" $3K rebate PG&E is offering on the 2018 Leaf:

http://www.pgecurrents.com/2018/04/24/p ... c-vehicle/


extended to January 2, 2019, maybe will be extended a third time
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jdcbomb
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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:42 am

I'm wondering if NIssan will continue to increase their incentives as there are quite a few 2018 MY just sitting on lots here in Raleigh, NC. It seems the local utility rebates (mine is Duke Energy) are continuing through the end of the year also.
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smkettner
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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:07 am

cwerdna wrote:The rest regarding LG Chem batteries, thermal management, higher power OBC, etc. is all still rumor, unless someone can point me to something official. I suspect some of it is wishful thinking and higher power OBC (if true at all) might not come to the US market.
I would wait for LG battery and thermal management.... or buy a vehicle that does have these items (or a Tesla).
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I-Pace on order for end of 2018 delivery

eatsleafsandshoots
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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:48 am

jdcbomb wrote:I'm wondering if NIssan will continue to increase their incentives as there are quite a few 2018 MY just sitting on lots here in Raleigh, NC. It seems the local utility rebates (mine is Duke Energy) are continuing through the end of the year also.


Same here in Colorado, there are tons of 2018 Leafs sitting on the lots even when you can get an S with QC for $24k + tax (before rebate, $16k or so after rebate). That price is VERY tempting but I wonder if it's going to go even lower.

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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:10 am

Things are always going to get better as the new models come out, the BMS concern was something that went through during my decision making.. but at the end, the incentives for the 2018 LEAF was good enough for me to jump on it. Yes, they might increase the incentive, but more likely they won't because 2018-2019 is not a complete model refresh like the 2017 to 2018 where we were seeing 10k incentives at the end of 2017. Get the car! It's great!

I'm a software guy and Tesla's are just completely changing the way things are done...

Do i feel left out when Tesla pushes a software update? Yes
Do I feel left out when my SiriusXM based app takes 45+ seconds to update? Yes
The car I purchased in 2018, is going to be 100% the same as the car I will have until I sell it .. No new features. :-(

But I've made my peace with it HA! In the 1.5 months that I've owned it and it's pure fun to drive.

Everyone's need is going to be different. .. I was at an EV meet a few weeks ago for Electric Drive Week, and some of the discussions were very interesting. If this EV is your only car, then I think you would want to get the longest range to help with range anxiety and fast charging.., but with more information being passed around, we start to have better dialogue. Longer range batteries is more cost to the car, more cells = more money., when the car is up on it's life, more li-ion waste.. So maybe the household can operate with long range/ shorter range cars. I am seeing more and more friends on social media going completely EV in their household where 1 car is a Model 3 and the other is a shorter range. This makes perfect sense, both cars do not NEED to be long range as long as it can satisfy the commute the household has.

I think the EV market will be very interesting in the upcoming years, I hope not all MFG go to 200+ range, because it gives the consumer options to meet their needs. My commute is 15 miles round trip, 150 miles is fine for me, i can go over 1 week without charging, but I don't like to see the battery meter at 10%.. just incase...

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Re: wait for 2019 leaf?

Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:29 am

whowutwutt wrote: I am seeing more and more friends on social media going completely EV in their household where 1 car is a Model 3 and the other is a shorter range. This makes perfect sense, both cars do not NEED to be long range as long as it can satisfy the commute the household has.

Yep; add me to your list:

Tesla Model 3 LR
2013 24 kWh LEAF

Works great for us, although it did take some time for my wife to realize that it is a fine combination. She wanted to keep the PHEV "just in case."
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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