cwerdna wrote:danrjones wrote:I'm honestly not a big GM fan.
I am not either. 3/3 of previous GM vehicles in our family (it wasn't my $ nor my decision to buy them back then) weren't so good in terms of reliability.
I'm just hoping that the money saved w/a Bolt when I got it ends up being worth it vs. a pricier Leaf Plus (wan't shipping at the time I bought my Bolt) w/no battery thermal management, no % SoC limiter, and AESC's checkered history when it comes to degradation vs. LG Chem's good rep (unfortunately, we don't know on the variant used in the Bolt). At least Bolt has a decent reliability rating in Consumer Reports, so far.
But, apply all your applicable incentives (and only $3750 Federal tax credit) to the Bolt prices I pointed and look at the EPA range ratings: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do ... 6&id=41277. Yes, Bolt's interior quality is lousy and the front seats aren't particularly comfortable. And, there's no equivalent of ProPilot Assist or adaptive cruise control.
danrjones wrote:Because it is now on Kia's website and you can build and price it. The top trim with the one package came out at MSRP 45k last night for me. Or close to that.
GRA wrote:danrjones wrote:Because it is now on Kia's website and you can build and price it. The top trim with the one package came out at MSRP 45k last night for me. Or close to that.
Thanks, I see it. Amazingly, none of the usual EV sites (GCC, IEVS, GCR, ABG) I monitor seem to have noticed it yet. I'd be interested in the EX (base $38.5k MSRP + $995 dest. = $39,495), not the Premium ($44k + $995 dest.). Compare that to the smaller Kona, starting at $36,450 + $1,045 dest. = $37,495. Both are a lot less expensive than the Model 3 SR+, when you include the fed. tax credit. the one thing that bugs me about the Niro is the lack of bright colors offered - three of the four cars I've owned have been silver metallic, and while it's a very long-lasting color that reflects heat well, I'd been hoping for a change to something less low-key. But the lack of AWD is the main reason I'd decide against it. The Soul should be available in brighter colors.
danrjones wrote: Model y is around the corner...
Which future options will be made available to order, and when?
We are planning to introduce the following options in the coming months:
Fall 2017: White interior option, standard configuration (non-Premium Upgrades)
November 2017: Standard Battery, $35,000 car
Spring 2018: Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive
Additional options will become available over time.
Will there still be a $35,000 Model 3 option?
Yes. Our first production Model 3 vehicles are preconfigured to ensure a smooth production ramp so that we can deliver more cars to more customers at a faster pace. The beginning configuration is a Long Range Battery with rear-wheel drive and premium upgrades, starting at $49,000. These vehicles come with three options for customization: wheel size, exterior color and Autopilot features.
Additional configurations, including the Model 3 with standard equipment for $35,000, will become available as production ramps, which we expect to be in November 2017.
We are shipping our first cars to employees now and expect to begin shipping the Long Range Battery configuration to customers in late October. The Standard Battery configuration will be available very soon thereafter.
danrjones wrote:I didn't really have time to compare the two trims much but I did notice that you had to add a package to the top trim just to get led lights.
danrjones wrote:I've noticed that most of the factory LED headlights ARE superior compared to their downgraded halogens. My Subaru outback has superb led headlights. For me its not the "cool" factor rather I actually like to see! When we first got our outback with LED headlights I realized just how piss poor the headlights on most cars actually are. I then changed my truck to HID, so I am familiar with after market and upgrading. If I get a 2015 SV I'll have to do that as well. But it just seems like a modern car for over 30k (or 44k!!) should have GOOD headlights.
If you want to see just how poor headlights are, IIHS rates them on a lot of new cars, starting a year or two ago. For whatever reason they never did the LEAF. They have rated the niro and niro plugin for kia, and sure enough the HIDs on the Niro got a good rating while the halogen got a poor rating. The LEDs on the niro plugin also got a poor rating, but that's due to glare. Which might simply mean the headlights are factory adjusted too high. But the point is, headlights are a big safety issue that I now take very seriously. YMMV