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2011 SL with 78000 miles

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:38 am
by Karasin
Good morning everyone

First time poster here. After reading up on a few threads I'm not so sure this "deal" I found is going to be worth it. Earlier this week I talked to CarMax and tomorrow I will be going to look at a 2011 SL, I don't know if it will be worth it. The pictures listed on the site did not give a clear indication of how much battery was left. Does anyone have a list of questions or advice I can take with me.
I would give a link but they took the listing down until I go see it.
Also they are asking $7900 for it.

Karasin

Re: 2011 SL with 78000 miles

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:07 am
by rogersleaf
The blunt response is value of a used Leaf is in the health of the battery. The first thing to ask for is a Carfax report, if anything for the license registration history. You want to know if the car was ever previously registered in hot climate areas. You need to be suspicious if it was previously in a hot climate areas and showing little or no battery capacity loss. Next, personally would not buy a used Leaf without analyzing the battery health using LeafSpy, especially if blind to the car's history.

Re: 2011 SL with 78000 miles

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:26 am
by Karasin
Thanks Roger. I only learned about the leafspy app after I scheduled a time to go look at the car. If things look good on the test drive and all history of the car can be given I'll move forward to finding a compatible receiver and see what I can find. Maybe I'll get lucky and it had a battery replacement.

Re: 2011 SL with 78000 miles

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:32 am
by SalisburySam
$7900 seems very high for a 2011, even if an SL. I would strongly agree with @rogersleaf’s comments and suggest you do the following:

1- verify if vehicle qualified for a replacement battery from Nissan, and if the vehicle actually got it. This is a PLUS.
2- verify if vehicle has lived in an “unfriendly” (hot) climate at any time in the last 8 years. This is a NEGATIVE.
3- verify if vehicle has a QuickCharge port for DC L3 charging. This is NEUTRAL if present, an big NEGATIVE if not.
4- buy a licensed copy of LeafSpyPro (~$20), and a recommended OBDII adapter (see other threads for latest recommendations. This investment will likely be under $50 and will show you before you buy the existing traction battery’s state of health. This is key to the value of the car. Better health = more value = higher price, but worth it. And the reverse is true.
5- Get a Carfax report, or ask to see the owner’s report if done recently. Obviously any accidents, salvage title, etc., will make the car worth less.
6- Check out edmunds.com and kbb.com for their pricing and guaranteed prices are. These may vary across the nation but give an idea of value.
7- As for any vehicle, check out tire condition. At 78,000 miles, you may be looking at soon purchasing the 3rd set of tires...a not insignificant expense.
8- Ask to see receipts for any work done such as the recommended biannual brake fluid changes and annual cabin air filter changes. Not necessarily critical to the purchase, but again you may have to do these with added expense to you. Same for the 3 different sized wiper blades.

I own a 2012 SL purchased new and in excellent condition but with original battery (didn’t qualify for Nissan replacement). Even in top condition (no accidents, very low mileage, detailed frequently, etc.) it would not be worth what your owner is asking. So:

9- Assuming all of the best cases for the items above, try to negotiate a MUCH better price, perhaps in the $5K-$6K range. Any negatives further reduce the cost.

Sadly, the original 2011-2012 LEAFs are not collectors items and their value, with the hugely decreasing battery capacity, has plummeted. The ugly truth is that a 2011 LEAF is not just an 8-year-old car, but an 8-year-old car with half the “gas tank” gone.

Re: 2011 SL with 78000 miles

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:49 am
by WetEV
SalisburySam wrote:Sadly, the original 2011-2012 LEAFs are not collectors items and their value, with the hugely decreasing battery capacity, has plummeted. The ugly truth is that a 2011 LEAF is not just an 8-year-old car, but an 8-year-old car with half the “gas tank” gone.


Ah yes, but collector's items vary with time. If I had a barn, and I don't, I'd buy a very nice 2011 LEAF and stash it away on blocks under a tarp, with the 12V battery removed. In 20 or 30 years, after most of the early LEAFs have been trashed, electric cars have taken over the market, it might be worth a lot. Or nothing.