BakoFlow661
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:33 pm

Looks like i should have done my homework. I regret my purchase wholeheartedly though i love my leaf. I just wish it had just 10-15 more miles of range. I drive it as economically as i can in 90 degree so-cal weather and get the 35 miles the GOM tells me it is. Don't know what to expect in the colder months though it never gets below 40 where i live.

cwerdna
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:38 pm

^^^
If you have the original battery and are in a warm part of So Cal, it had a lousy chemistry so you can expect more rapid degradation vs. better chemistries (e.g. built 4/2013 thru model year '14 or the best one we know of: model year '15 lizard pack).

You really must get Leaf Spy (and the appropriate OBD2 dongle for your phone OS that's compatible w/Leaf Spy) since the '12 has no % SoC display, only the stupid 12 fuel bars and the GOM. The bars aren't granular enough. You can't tell if you're at the top, middle or bottom of a bar and the GOM sucks.

At least w/Leaf Spy, you can see battery gids which are more granular than even %. New 24 kWh battery on a full charge is ~281 gids. My 11 bar '13 Leaf (built 5/2013) reaches maybe 230ish gids on a full charge now.

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BakoFlow661
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:44 pm

Stupid carvana rep told me it lived most of it life in Texas (true according to carfax) and that saltwater air was the main cause of degradation and that i had nothing to worry on that part.

cwerdna
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:08 am

BakoFlow661 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:44 pm
Stupid carvana rep told me it lived most of it life in Texas (true according to carfax) and that saltwater air was the main cause of degradation and that i had nothing to worry on that part.
Ugh! It has nothing to do w/saltwater air but rather the high temps.

Hope others in the market for gen 1 Leafs will see this as a cautionary tale and take a look at the below first:
https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=26662
https://www.facebook.com/notes/seattle- ... 373291032/
Last edited by cwerdna on Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:11 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:10 am

BakoFlow661 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:44 pm
Stupid carvana rep told me it lived most of it life in Texas (true according to carfax) and that saltwater air was the main cause of degradation and that i had nothing to worry on that part.

That was a lie. Saltwater air has NOTHING to do with degradation, and Texas-type heat has a LOT to do with it. If you have that BS claim in writing, you have a case. Using LeafSpy Pro for accurate charge and range readings will buy you maybe another 5-10 miles of usable range. When it gets cold, though, the range will drop, and you will need to add a "Heater Off" switch and sometimes rely on the (hopefully present) heated seats and steering wheel. It will be a struggle to get the 35 miles you get now, when the temp is 40F.

I'm not trying to make you feel bad. I'm trying to convince you to go all-out in an effort to get them to take the car back. Offer to pay for the parking lot damage, but be adamant that it must go back, because they willfully misrepresented the range and condition of the battery. One of their sales people is likely still snickering about that lie...


Cwerdna slipped in ahead of me with his post.
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BakoFlow661
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:27 am

Don't have that in writing unfortunately. Have my buddy as a witness to my vehicle dropoff and test drive and could attest to that statement said??? I don't know

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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:19 am

Have my buddy as a witness to my vehicle dropoff and test drive and could attest to that statement said??? I don't know

You don't necessarily have enough of a case to win in court, but Carvana depends on positive public opinion. Tell them about posting here, what we have said (mention that this is the biggest Leaf forum in the world), and if your friend will contribute a sworn written statement, that combination may well be enough to get them to take it back.
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BakoFlow661
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:42 pm

Update: spoke to a rep who seemed to give a damn finally. Told him about my experience and am having things elevated to higher management plus have a 2017 nissan versa at a comparable price locked in for 3 days while i get things sorted out. Hope to give a good word on Carvana by the end of this. Stay tuned.

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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:04 pm

We will. I hope you get it taken back.
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BakoFlow661
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Re: Carvana - What to Expect

Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:20 am

Carvana is royally pissing me off this morning. 1 hr of phone calls to be told that nothing is to be done in my favor to make the situation right and i'm stuck with them either buying the car back at a huge loss to me or trading in within their system and affixing to their financing (when i picked up my leaf a month ago my minimum down was $200 where it is now $2,200.)

Exploring my options and trying not to punch everything that stands in my way. How has fenix power been sounding to you guys?

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