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azknauer
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Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:33 am

To all PHX Leaf friends.
Nissan finally reacted to my complains and decided to buy my 2011 Nissan Leaf back.
Even so, I requested only a new battery, they offered to buy my Leaf.
The financial offer they made was acceptable to me, but I had to sign off on not pursuing the AZ Lemon Law.

I miss my Leaf already, especially the zippy driving and the no gas station part.....

I wish everybody else all the best with their Leafs.
Maybe I get one again if the battery technology catches up.

Thanks for all the good advise and help in the last 2 years.
:)
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TomT
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Re: Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:56 am

It is rather amazing that the Leaf is the only modern EV out there without TMS, and Nissan sees no problem with that... Without TMS, Nissan will never sell me another EV.

azknauer wrote:Maybe I get one again if the battery technology catches up.
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LakeLeaf
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Re: Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:49 am

azknauer wrote:Even so, I requested only a new battery, they offered to buy my Leaf.


I wonder if there is anything to be read into that - maybe Nissan has decided that cost of replacing the battery is so close to the buy back price that it isn't worth the risk of the replacement pack not lasting either?

Volusiano
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Re: Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:45 pm

Would you mind sharing how many capacity bars you have left and the mileage of your LEAF at the time of the buy back?

Also why would you want another battery if it is just going to go bad again?

Also why did you have your Blink deinstalled? Wouldnt you want tokeep it around in case you get a new EV in the future? I assume that you got it for free via the EV project.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:47 pm

what are u driving now?

was there not a few people who sold their LEAF back and then leased one?
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Re: Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:08 pm

TomT wrote:It is rather amazing that the Leaf is the only modern EV out there without TMS, and Nissan sees no problem with that... Without TMS, Nissan will never sell me another EV.

You almost could have ended that sentence at: "It is rather amazing that the Leaf is the only modern EV out"

Lack of TMS or other shortcomings aside, aside from the Tesla that is prohibitively expensive for many and a few oddball compliance cars that can only be found in very limited quantities in select locations, for most of us the Leaf is the only BEV game in town.
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Re: Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:09 pm

TomT wrote:It is rather amazing that the Leaf is the only modern EV out there without TMS, and Nissan sees no problem with that... Without TMS, Nissan will never sell me another EV.
azknauer wrote:Maybe I get one again if the battery technology catches up.


I, OTH, don't want the added complexity, loss of BC, cost, and weight of a TMS. It really wouldn't help much here anyway since the car needs to be plugged in if you don't want capacity loss. When it sits all day in a 140F parking lot, a TMS isn't going to help much. The best solution, at least in hot climates is a different chemistry (sulfer added) or a different storage device such as the SC (Super Capacitor) that UCLA is working on.
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evnow
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Re: Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:51 pm

TomT wrote:It is rather amazing that the Leaf is the only modern EV out there without TMS, and Nissan sees no problem with that... Without TMS, Nissan will never sell me another EV.

TMS is just an interim solution till the batteries improve.

I doubt we will have TMS in any EV in 10 years.
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Re: Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:07 pm

TomT wrote:It is rather amazing that the Leaf is the only modern EV out there without TMS, and Nissan sees no problem with that... Without TMS, Nissan will never sell me another EV.


I'm not picking on you or anyone else, but I think most early adopters knew what a lack of a thermal management system would result in for those in extreme climates. Knowing the risks, and knowing that there was a clear lack of a range warranty at the time, most of us bought the car anyway, and in many ways were in denial that anything would happen.
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TomT
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Re: Nissan buys back my Leaf

Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:15 pm

Perhaps, but I also don't think anyone considered Los Angeles to be an "extreme climate..." Nor was Nissan honest or forthright about the real affects of heat on the pack, or on pack degradation in general... I expected pack degradation but I never expected 20% in my environs in less than two years... Based on what we were told by Nissan, I was expecting 20 percent at the end of four years...

Clearly, a lack of TMS has turned out to be a gigantic engineering mistake.

kubel wrote:
TomT wrote:It is rather amazing that the Leaf is the only modern EV out there without TMS, and Nissan sees no problem with that... Without TMS, Nissan will never sell me another EV.
I'm not picking on you or anyone else, but I think most early adopters knew what a lack of a thermal management system would result in for those in extreme climates. Knowing the risks, and knowing that there was a clear lack of a range warranty at the time, most of us bought the car anyway, and in many ways were in denial that anything would happen.
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2017 Volt Premier. Model 3 reserved.

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