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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Thu May 13, 2010 11:28 am

Azrich wrote:Azrich here, from Tucson. Today I wrote an email, in their fill in the blank form, to the AZ Dept of Transportation asking them to consider a reduced registration fee for electric vehicles. If you think it could help go to https://wwwa.azdot.gov/contact_adot/index.aspx and send them a message.

Here is what I sent to them today:

Tucson and Phoenix are two of the eight U.S. cities where the Nissan LEAF electric vehicle will be introduced in December 2010. Nissan expects to sell about 1000 LEAFs by early 2012. This vehicle has zero emissions. Would the ADOT please consider reinstating the reduced registration fee for this new type of alternative fuel vehicle? The federal government is investing in the installation of hundreds of charging stations in Tucson, Phoenix, and the corridor between the two cities. I would ask you to please consider creating a special, lower registration fee for all 100% electric vehicles. Thank you.


This is already what AZ has everything you asked.
http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric- ... show/85226
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SilverSL
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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Thu May 13, 2010 8:32 pm

ADOT Response: Arizona was allowed to participate in the Energy Efficient License Plate Program thru an agreement w/the Federal Highway Administration and the law that allowed for this program expired in September of 2009 and has not been renewed. For all intents and purposes, HOV lane usage is dictated by the federal government because federal funds are used to build and maintain HOV lanes. As far as reduced registration fees are concerned, this will require legislative action to amend current statutes. Please contact your two State Representatives and State Senator.

Edited May 15:
Please ignore this post because when I contacted ADOT I didn't realize that all Alternative Fuel plates had unrestricted access to the HOV lanes. ADOT's answer above didn't help to correct my thinking.
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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Sat May 15, 2010 10:20 am

Thanks to Gonewild for the link on the Nissan website.

Here are my calculations. Right?

LEAF SL = $33,720 times 1% = $337.50 (AFV assessed value)

$4 for every $100 assessed value = about $13.00 for the first year, $10.50 for the second year, and on down to the $5.00 minimum.

Not bad! That saves hundreds of dollars a year in license fees! Just another reason to buy a LEAF.
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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Sat May 15, 2010 3:37 pm

SilverSL see my link I posted will answer your questions. HOV etc.
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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Sat May 15, 2010 4:22 pm

Azrich wrote:Thanks to Gonewild for the link on the Nissan website.

Here are my calculations. Right?

LEAF SL = $33,720 times 1% = $337.50 (AFV assessed value)

$4 for every $100 assessed value = about $13.00 for the first year, $10.50 for the second year, and on down to the $5.00 minimum.

Not bad! That saves hundreds of dollars a year in license fees! Just another reason to buy a LEAF.


The fees are the same no matter what the value of the car for the AF plates. Like I have posted earlier, it is around $15 for one year or you can pay $22 for TWO years at time of renewal. :) It doesn't decrease in later years which isn't necessary anyway. I'm very happy to drive in the HOV lanes. :D
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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Sat May 15, 2010 4:49 pm

Gonewild wrote:SilverSL see my link I posted will answer your questions. HOV etc.

The link you posted was appreciated and provided some good information. However, without a legislation change the HOV lane benefit (Energy Efficient plate) will not be available for the Leaf. There are two related plates (Energy Efficient and Alternative Fuel). The Energy Efficient plate is simply the Alternative Fuel plate with a Hybrid sticker in the middle of it. No longer available, the Energy Efficient plates were limited to 10,000 and only available to Prius, Insight and Civic Hybrids. My recent question to ADOT was whether it was on their agenda to offer an HOV lane benefit to the Leaf (or other PEVs), to which they said no.

Now that I re-read the STATE OF ARIZONA Electric Vehicle Single Occupancy HOV Lane Use doc at the link you provided, I am wondering if those 10,000 Hybrids that were issued the Energy Efficient plates are going to lose the HOV benefit as of July 1, 2010. “Effective Dates: Current benefit expires July 1, 2010”. It will annoy the heck out of me having to be in the same slow lanes with tailpipe vehicles once I get my Leaf and watch as single occupant Prius cruises past me in the HOV lane.

Edited May 15:
Please ignore this entire post because I was confusing the two plates. However, I am still curious about the 10,000 Hybrids that were issued the Energy Efficient plates and if their HOV benefits expire July 1...
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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Sat May 15, 2010 4:57 pm

SilverSL wrote:
Gonewild wrote:SilverSL see my link I posted will answer your questions. HOV etc.

The link you posted was appreciated and provided some good information. However, without a legislation change the HOV lane benefit (Energy Efficient plate) will not be available for the Leaf. There are two related plates (Energy Efficient and Alternative Fuel). The Energy Efficient plate is simply the Alternative Fuel plate with a Hybrid sticker in the middle of it. No longer available, the Energy Efficient plates were limited to 10,000 and only available to Prius, Insight and Civic Hybrids. My recent question to ADOT was whether it was on their agenda to offer an HOV lane benefit to the Leaf (or other PEVs), to which they said no.

Now that I re-read the STATE OF ARIZONA Electric Vehicle Single Occupancy HOV Lane Use doc at the link you provided, I am wondering if those 10,000 Hybrids that were issued the Energy Efficient plates are going to lose the HOV benefit as of July 1, 2010. “Effective Dates: Current benefit expires July 1, 2010”. It will annoy the heck out of me having to be in the same slow lanes with tailpipe vehicles once I get my Leaf and watch as single occupant Prius cruises past me in the HOV lane.


Silver, I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but BEV's ARE alternative fuel vehicles. There is no need for a separate category. If I have an AF plate RIGHT NOW for a dedicated cng vehicle, a BEV is LESS polluting than my present car and according to what I've seen in the statute, ALL electric cars are in the same category as mine. You asked them about 'Energy Efficient' plates...that is NOT what a BEV is. It isn't ANYTHING like a hybrid, so I'm sure you will be able to get a blue/AF plate here in Az. :)
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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Sat May 15, 2010 5:49 pm

leaffan wrote:I'm sure you will be able to get a blue/AF plate here in Az. :)

No disagreement there. My comment was about the HOV lane privileges.

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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Sat May 15, 2010 6:14 pm

SilverSL wrote:
leaffan wrote:I'm sure you will be able to get a blue/AF plate here in Az. :)

No disagreement there. My comment was about the HOV lane privileges.


Well, I drive NOW in the HOV with my blue plate so I don't see it being any different with the LEAF. :)
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Re: Phoenix metro-area

Sat May 15, 2010 6:55 pm

leaffan wrote:Well, I drive NOW in the HOV with my blue plate so I don't see it being any different with the LEAF. :)

Leaffan, I will send you a Private Message with my e-mail address and phone number in case you are interested in continuing this conversation. I agree, you will be able to get a blue AF plate for the Leaf, but not HOV lane privileges. (My opinion from what I have researched) The AF plates (with the sticker in the middle) that were issued to some CNG or to some Hybrids were part of HOV privilege programs to encourage early adoption of the technologies and can not be transferred to a Leaf. These programs were intended for limited quantities of applicants and for limited qualifying vehicles.

Edited May 15:
Please ignore this entire post because I was confusing the two plates.
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