johnqh
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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:47 pm

I didn't get any email from PGE. Can someone post the detailed rates?

oakwcj
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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:08 pm

johnqh wrote:I didn't get any email from PGE. Can someone post the detailed rates?


E-9 is at:

http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-9.pdf

EV-A rates will be:

Summer -- Peak $.37615; Partial Peak $.20558; Off-Peak $.09790

Winter -- Peak $.26916; Partial Peak $.16425; Off-Peak $.10031

Peak hours: 2-9 P.M. M-F; 3-7 P.M. S-S
Partial Peak: 7 A.M.-2 P.M. and 9-11 P.M. M-F.
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johnqh
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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:00 pm

I guess solar panel homes should stick to E9A. The tier 1 off-peak is essentially free.

matth
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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:37 pm

johnqh wrote:I guess solar panel homes should stick to E9A. The tier 1 off-peak is essentially free.


John--

I can't opine as to which rate schedule is better presently. However, it's very clear that EV- is the exclusive direction that PG&E wants to go post 2014, and will do so unless we strongly push back. There are no tiers in EV-.

Based on the rate case for E-1, I actually think PG&E would like to get rid of tiers overall, if they could. If they can't, they would like to make the tiering system meaningless.
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oakwcj
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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:41 am

matth wrote:
johnqh wrote:I guess solar panel homes should stick to E9A. The tier 1 off-peak is essentially free.


John--

I can't opine as to which rate schedule is better presently. However, it's very clear that EV- is the exclusive direction that PG&E wants to go post 2014, and will do so unless we strongly push back. There are no tiers in EV-.

Based on the rate case for E-1, I actually think PG&E would like to get rid of tiers overall, if they could. If they can't, they would like to make the tiering system meaningless.


What PG&E really wants is demand pricing, which they call "time-variant" pricing. Prices would fluctuate on a daily -- or hourly -- basis depending on supply and demand. The Division of Ratepayer Advocates published a white paper on this subject a couple of years ago:

http://dra.ca.gov/general.aspx?id=239

While it might make sense for large businesses, it would be a nightmare for residential customers.

The CPUC has said that it will revisit the entire issue of EV rates as part of its 2014 General Rate Case.
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srl99
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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:07 am

PG&E really sticks it to residential rate payers, with or without tiers. Take Silicon Valley Power or SMUD as examples. Silicon Valley power doesn't have (need!) an EV rate as they charge residential customers about 10c/kWH all day long. SMUD does have an EV rate, but their basic rate is a touch higher than SVP until you get over 700 kWH/month.

PG&E is lowering commercial rates (presumably, businesses can opt to generate themselves) and raising residential rates (which in the higher tiers are some of the highest in the country).

This is NOT an example of a well regulated monopoly.

If PG&E had to weather market forces, you could expect your electric bills to be quite similar to Silicon Valley power (or Alameda power).

Stop rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and solve the actual problem.

PG&E's documented cost to acquire a kWH 3c.

srl99
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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:13 pm

Apparently, PG&E's EV rates will be effective on Aug 1 http://www.pge.com/nots/rates/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_4231-E.pdf . Some folks on E-9(A) pay a significant penalty in the summer months (example: air conditioning with peak kWH at 56c in the higher tiers), so it _may_ be advantageous for you to switch to EV as soon as possible.

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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:41 pm

Moin, moin

EricBayArea wrote:I'm glad I'll be staying on E-9a until the end of 2014 because the current EV schedule may be worse than me going back to E-1


Now that I have more than a year on E9-A I can offer these numbers directly from the PGE website below*:

E9-A cost per year 450$
E6-smart cost per year 580$
E6 cost per year 640$
E1-smart cost per year 670$
E1 cost per year 730$
EV-A cost per year 810$

E9-A is real, the others are estimated cost for the same use pattern.

The first and last ones are the two rates that are exclusive to owners of electric cars. EV-A is the one that is available going forward and was advertised as a valid alternative to me currently on E9-A, I don't think so!

*This page will only work if you are logged in as a PGE customer:
https://pge.opower.com/ei/app/myRates

Best regards

Jens

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planet4ever
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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:44 pm

Gee, I wish I could get that information, but their website won't tell me anything because they still haven't gotten around to upgrading my old GE KV2 meter to a SmartMeter.

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End of April 2013: Traded my 2011 SL for a 2013 S with charge pkg.

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DeaneG
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Re: New PG&E EV rate schedule

Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:49 pm

planet4ever wrote:...they still haven't gotten around to upgrading my old GE KV2 meter to a SmartMeter.

I finally got mine by calling PG&E and asking for it. For some reason they had me on an opt-out list, I have no idea why. The smartmeter is a little cheaper too, no meter-reader monthly charge to pay.
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