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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:56 pm

IEVS:
Electrify America Cycle 2: $300 Million U.S. EV Investment Plan Released
https://insideevs.com/electrify-america-ev-investment-plan-released/

. . . Back in December, we reported on Electrify America’s Cycle 2 plans for California. We now have the details for Electrify America’s National plan for Cycle 2, which calls for a $300 million investment over a 30-month period starting in July 2019. . . .

Cycle 2 is a 30-month program and it begins in July of this year. You can find out more details below from the Electrify America press release:

Highlights of the National Cycle 2 ZEV Investment Plan include:

Charging Infrastructure

• Metro Community Charging: The major focus of infrastructure investment in Cycle 2 is charging within metro areas, where research shows that EV drivers charge most often.

Electrify America will invest in metro-based direct current fast charging (DCFC) stations in 18 metro areas, including these new metro areas in Cycle 2:

    Atlanta, Baltimore, Honolulu, Las Vegas and Phoenix

Electrify America also will continue to invest in these Cycle 1 metros:

    Boston, Chicago, Denver, Miami, New York City, Philadelphia, Portland, Seattle and Washington,
    DC

In Cycle 2, Electrify America also will broaden its investment in existing metros by adding:

    Boulder (CO) for the Denver market;
    Bremerton (WA) and Olympia (WA) for the Seattle market; and
    Bridgeport (CT) for the New York City market. . . .

• Highways and Regional Routes: Cycle 2 investments will build upon Cycle 1 efforts to develop a highway network of ultra-fast DCFC stations. This will include building new sites connecting regional destinations and filling in existing routes as station utilization of the highway network increases.

• Autonomous: To support the growth of autonomous ZEVs, Electrify America will build up to two commercial deployments of charging stations for autonomous electric vehicles where this need is emerging.

• Renewable Generation: Electrify America will invest in renewable generation for select stations to help to reduce station operating costs and reduce the carbon content for EV refueling. . . .
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:40 pm

9 more sites have opened, making 15 for the month and 105 total: Ellensburg, WA (Jct. I-90/82); Sutherlin, OR (Jct. I-5/S.R. 138); Montebello, CA (S.R. 60 E of I-710); Butte, MT (Jct. I-90/I-15); Amarillo, TX (Jct. I-40/27); Mt. Pleasant, TX (Jct. I-30/U.S. 271); Naples, FL (I-75); Cheektowaga, NY (I-90 E. of Buffalo); Braintree, MA (Jct. I-93/S.R. 3, S. of Boston).

ellensburg and Butte make it possible, with extreme care, to make it all the way from Seattle to Grand Teton or even Yellowstone. Amarillo is currently out on its lonesome, and needs at least Weatherford to open for it to reach somewhere. Mt. Pleasant closes the gap on I-30 between DFW and Hope, and allows travel between DFW, Little Rock and Memphis. Cheektowaga allows Rochester and Syracuse to be reached from Cleveland. Naples connects with great care Miami with Tampa/St. Petersburg, and Orlando can be reached with extreme care. From Braintree, Augusta ME. is reachable with great care, and Montpelier, VT. with extreme care.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:49 pm

GRA wrote:9 more sites have opened...
What is your source?

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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:11 pm

DanCar wrote:
GRA wrote:9 more sites have opened...
What is your source?


Ellensburg has ZERO signs of life including no announcement on Plugshare which would be counter to EA's flag waving ways.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:14 pm

See this post for a full explanation: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=25212&start=180#p543662

When the map's zoomed all the way out, the current numbers in the circles are (W-E): 7, 13, 23, 8, 21, 30, 3 = 105.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:30 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
DanCar wrote:
GRA wrote:9 more sites have opened...
What is your source?


Ellensburg has ZERO signs of life including no announcement on Plugshare which would be counter to EA's flag waving ways.

All Plugshare proves is that no one has visited it yet since it was declared open either yesterday or Friday. The sole check-in states that as of 1/15, the hardware was in place but no final inspection had been completed, and there was no power. That was 3+ weeks ago. Have you or someone you know visited the site in the past two days? EA has a pretty good record of being cautious (or lazy) about changing the sites from 'coming soon' to 'site is live' on their map, although inevitably there have been teething troubles that caused some of them to be u/s almost immediately, just as some of Tesla's SC sites have had.

Just for comparison, though, Tesla opened 27 sites (or 29 if you count the two N-S dual sites separately) in their first year, and EA has opened 105 in 9 1/3 months. Assuming they can open an average of 30/month through June, as they did in January despite some horrendous winter weather, they will have opened 240 out of the 300 they're required to have open or underway by then. If they can average 35 it will be 270, and if they manage 40/month they'll have all 300 done. They've got 135 sites currently shown as 'coming soon' with addresses identified (i.e. they've got a site contract), so that's 240 right there.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:44 pm

GRA wrote:Just for comparison, though, Tesla opened 27 sites (or 29 if you count the two N-S dual sites separately) in their first year, and EA has opened 105 in 9 1/3 months.

And if Tesla had opened those sites in 2018/2019 with a $2B budget you might have a point, however weak since EA has trouble getting its chargers to work.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:55 pm

SageBrush wrote:
GRA wrote:Just for comparison, though, Tesla opened 27 sites (or 29 if you count the two N-S dual sites separately) in their first year, and EA has opened 105 in 9 1/3 months.

And if Tesla had opened those sites in 2018/2019 with a $2B budget you might have a point.

Does a buyer care, or do they just want the infrastructure available ASAP? Of course it's $2 billion over 10 years, divided into four 30-month tranches of $500 million each of which California gets $200 million per tranche, and we've seen very little of that as yet owing to permitting hassles. Subtracting that $200 million/four QC sites (I'm ignoring the other work being done), that's 101 sites and counting for something well under $300 million. Considering what the delay to the Model X and Model 3 cost Tesla, $300 mil is (relatively) peanuts.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:10 pm

GRA wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
GRA wrote:Just for comparison, though, Tesla opened 27 sites (or 29 if you count the two N-S dual sites separately) in their first year, and EA has opened 105 in 9 1/3 months.

And if Tesla had opened those sites in 2018/2019 with a $2B budget you might have a point.

Does a buyer care, or do they just want the infrastructure available ASAP? Of course it's $2 billion over 10 years, divided into four 30-month tranches of $500 million each of which California gets $200 million per tranche, and we've seen very little of that as yet owing to permitting hassles. Subtracting that $200 million/four QC sites (I'm ignoring the other work being done), that's 101 sites and counting for something well under $300 million. Considering what the delay to the Model X and Model 3 cost Tesla, $300 mil is (relatively) peanuts.

Is a caveman making fire any more notable than my success with a match ? After all, everybody else just wants to be warm.

Your "reasoning" is nonsensical.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:47 am

I for one am impressed with the rate at which EA is installing these stations. They have had teething problems, sure, but they really are breaking new ground here. They are a third party installing very high power chargers across the US.

I’m pleasantly surprised to see Cheektowaga turned on in February. I thought we’d have to wait until spring for that one.

40/month through June seems highly ambitious still. I doubt they will hit 300 operational stations by then. But there is a good chance they will have started the process on all of them at least. I wish them luck. Non-Tesla EV drivers are counting on them.
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