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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:56 pm

Four sites have opened, making 12 for the month and 244 total: Flagstaff, AZ (I-40 E. of Jct. I-17); Erick, OK (Jct. I-40/S.R. 30); Royse City, TX (I-30 NE of Dallas); N. Miami Beach, FL (Urb., Jct. I-95/S.R. 826).

Flagstaff makes ABQ - PHX possible; once Winslow opens it will be practical. In addition, you can now reach the south rim of the Grand Canyon coming from either the south or east.

Erick completes I-40 from OKC to Amarillo, and with extreme care you can make it to Wagon Mound from Amarillo. at least two more sites, probably Tucumcari and Santa Rosa, are needed to join Amarillo to ABQ, and the "Coming Soon" ABQ is still needed to complete I-40 all the way to Flagstaff.

Royse City shortens the leg between DFW and Mt. Pleasant. and is necessary to make the leg practical (63 and 86 miles vice 149) if starting from Ft. Worth instead of Dallas.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:33 pm

Two sites have opened, making 14 for the month and 246 total: Madera, CA (S.R. 99, just N. of Jct. S.R. 145); Torrance #2, CA (forget which one was first - one's on S.R. 1 and the other on S.R. 107. The site on Hwy 1 is an urban one).
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:07 am

Kalamazoo MI EA (worked) after 30 minutes of messing with equipment reboot. Collinsville IL EA (worked). Park Ridge MO EA (worked). Casey's General Store Lebanon MO EA (worked). Vinita OK EA (not working) no matter what was tried!!! Bristol OK EA (not working) no matter what was tried!!! Grants NM EA listed first as broken but was relisted repaired 1 hour before arrival and was pleased that it was (working) but machine sounded abnormal. So, a total of 8 locations tried and 2 of the stations left me stranded. I was very unhappy with the 2 that didn't work as they were listed as working.

Tesla Supercharging was the primary charge station type used. Model S towing over 7,000 cargo trailer. Total weight of full vehicle and full trailer 12,240 lbs. 7 of the 8 EA station layouts did not accommodate well for towing a trailer. The one that did was a pull through station in Kalamazoo MI.
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cwerdna
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:30 am

Evoforce wrote:Tesla Supercharging was the primary charge station type used. Model S towing over 7,000 cargo trailer. Total weight of full vehicle and full trailer 12,240 lbs. 6 of the 7 EA station layouts did not accommodate well for towing a trailer. The one that did was a pull through station in Kalamazoo MI.

The layout problem isn't only an EA problem. I haven't bothered reading this but Edmunds had trouble with Supercharging with a trailer attached as well: https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-x/2 ... ailer.html.

It stems from both the layout and where Tesla decided to put the charging inlet, in a stupid location, if you ask me. No Tesla is based upon an ICEV so it's not like they were reusing the location formerly used by the gas hole. In my almost 6 years of driving Leaf and now having a Bolt since end of Jan 2019, I'm convinced that driver's side front fender is way inferior to in the center of the nose, at least for most US public and workplace charging setups. I explained why at viewtopic.php?p=548912#p548912 w/a crude drawing.

The other locations are even worse. Not only does Tesla often force you to back in, which might be tricky and slow in a busy crowded area, it's also the on the wrong side for street side charging (if it's on the right side). Fortunately, street side parallel parked charging isn't common in the US.

If they put in the (or another) inlet in the center of the nose, some of of the problems Edmunds encountered would've gone away.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:58 am

The CCS/CHAdemo unreliability sure makes the decision to take an EV dependent on that network for a long trip very problematic. Given the patchwork nature of the network I imagine the only solution will be to over-build and for drivers to keep a reserve adequate to reach at least the next station.
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Levenkay
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:07 am

Tesla's approach of providing more than one charging station per location would also help.

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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:20 am

Levenkay wrote:Tesla's approach of providing more than one charging station per location would also help.

Very good point. I've read more than a handful of reports of Tesla stations going down but I cannot think of an occurrence where the entire location went down due to malfunction.

So CCS is better off in that regard than poor CHAdeMO
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:58 pm

Two sites have opened, making 16 for the month and 248 total: Lincolnwood, IL (Urb., E. of U.S. 41, N. of Chicago), and Boca Raton, FL (Urb., Jct. I-95/S.R. 808).
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:45 pm

cwerdna wrote:The other locations are even worse. Not only does Tesla often force you to back in, which might be tricky and slow in a busy crowded area, it's also the on the wrong side for street side charging (if it's on the right side). Fortunately, street side parallel parked charging isn't common in the US
Interesting that in Japan most vehicles are backed into parking spaces. Yet LEAF has charging in the front....
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Re: Electrify America Network

Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:36 am

smkettner wrote:
cwerdna wrote:The other locations are even worse. Not only does Tesla often force you to back in, which might be tricky and slow in a busy crowded area, it's also the on the wrong side for street side charging (if it's on the right side). Fortunately, street side parallel parked charging isn't common in the US
Interesting that in Japan most vehicles are backed into parking spaces. Yet LEAF has charging in the front....


hmmm, interesting observation. Can't say I have a lot of familiarity with Japan but in my trips there, most QC's allowed parallel parking as the standard option. Turntables were popular (at least in Yokohama) in residential apts.
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