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Re: Dedicated EV meter web site

Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:33 am

wlegro wrote:Hi Kataphn - we got our new 2012 Leaf SL on Thursday, now using the outside 110v socket with an extension cord. Our house is 80 years old and our garage is too small for the car. I don't know the amps on the cord so I'm buying a 12-gauge today. It's a Rube Goldberg setup: extension cord plugged into the socket outside the garage door, runs through the space between door and frame into the garage, hooked up to the charger inside the garage so it won't be stolen, then the charger cord goes back outside to the car. But it's working - just takes a long time, but then I figure I'll just hook it up every time we return from a trip no matter how short. And there's a free charger at Glendale Nissan about 3 miles from our house in Silver Lake.

But I'm wondering how much your installation cost (if you don't mind saying), what kind you got and how the whole process went. I visited the AV site and saw what was available. First I'm getting the free DWP consultation - the $2000 rebate is still available, and there's also a federal tax credit of 30% (if I've got the details right). If central air needs 220-240v, that might be the only such line we have (gas appliances & hot water) - and it's downhill from the street and pretty far from where we park in front of our house. The Nissan dealer said AV has a $1999 package including installation - don't know if that would cover our particular situation. We're perfect for solar but can't afford it right now - the Leaf might be our only way to feel warm and fuzzy about not burning gasoline. (I'm thinking of a bumper sticker - "My other car is a Prius" because it's true.) Our model Leaf has a 6.6 port, and I wonder if the various options of chargers handle that. Obviously, I'm on a steep learning curve here. Kind of overwhelmed by all the details - I mean, the owner's manual is now my bedtime reading. :?



Welcome to the forum. A couple of things I'll add for you...Keep an eye on that 110v receptacle for heating issues. If it uses the spring clips for the wires that push into the rear, you may want to replace the receptacle with a new one and use the screw terminals. Those spring clips can get loose over time and may heat up, especially if the receptacle was outside...The second thing is that your 2012 SL model comes with two charging ports. The one on the right is for Level 1 charging at 120v and Level 2 charging at 240v (3.7kW demand maximum, 3.3kW to the battery). The port on the left is for DC Fast Charging using the Chademo protocol/standard. Those charging stations are in public and are growing. They'll deliver a max of 48kW to the car that tapers off as you charge, giving you a meaningful charge in 20-30 minutes. The 2012 models don't support the 6.6kW L2 charging; that will come in the 2013 models that will be sold in a few weeks....

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Re: Dedicated EV meter web site

Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:09 pm

Welcome! We did not pay anything for our Blink since we qualified for the Ecotality project. There were some software and connectivity issues with it early on but it has been fine for awhile now. We live between downtown LA and the beach so no real heat issues and no central AC. Our Blink is on the back wall of the house and we charge outside. We also now have a plug in Prius. We have had the LEAF 2 years. There is lots of good information on the forum regarding EVSEs. You just have to plow through it. I highly recommend William Korthof as electrician at 800-524-2970. He installed the charging station at our other property, a condo. He worked with the DWP and HOA and all went smoothly. He installed 240 outlet on a separate meter. We will use the Ingineer modified stock EVSE there.
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Re: Dedicated EV meter web site

Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:48 pm

mynameisjim wrote:I'm always amazed at the cost of electricity in California


the issue isnt about CA, it is about for-profit utilities.
i am with the municipal utility, LADWP.
i pay rates of 8.3 (june to sept) or 8.7 (cents oct to may) a kwh to charge the car. that is the TOU off peak rate with the 2.5 cents a kwh EV discount. i pretty much charge during those times 99 percent of the time.
off peak is all weekend and 8 pm to 10 am daily.
it goes as high as 12-14.3 cents per kwh all other times, except 22 cents for 1-5 pm during the summer.

basically, a bargain.
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Re: Dedicated EV meter web site

Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:36 pm

thankyouOB wrote:
mynameisjim wrote:I'm always amazed at the cost of electricity in California


the issue isnt about CA, it is about for-profit utilities.


I'm with a for-profit utility and pay about $0.10/kWh for "green" power (mostly wind; see my signature), any time of any day of the year for any purpose. So I don't really think it's about for-profit utilities either.
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Re: Dedicated EV meter web site

Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:35 pm

Randy wrote:
wlegro wrote:Hi Kataphn - we got our new 2012 Leaf SL on Thursday, now using the outside 110v socket with an extension cord. Our house is 80 years old and our garage is too small for the car. I don't know the amps on the cord so I'm buying a 12-gauge today. It's a Rube Goldberg setup: extension cord plugged into the socket outside the garage door, runs through the space between door and frame into the garage, hooked up to the charger inside the garage so it won't be stolen, then the charger cord goes back outside to the car. But it's working - just takes a long time, but then I figure I'll just hook it up every time we return from a trip no matter how short. And there's a free charger at Glendale Nissan about 3 miles from our house in Silver Lake.

But I'm wondering how much your installation cost (if you don't mind saying), what kind you got and how the whole process went. I visited the AV site and saw what was available. First I'm getting the free DWP consultation - the $2000 rebate is still available, and there's also a federal tax credit of 30% (if I've got the details right). If central air needs 220-240v, that might be the only such line we have (gas appliances & hot water) - and it's downhill from the street and pretty far from where we park in front of our house. The Nissan dealer said AV has a $1999 package including installation - don't know if that would cover our particular situation. We're perfect for solar but can't afford it right now - the Leaf might be our only way to feel warm and fuzzy about not burning gasoline. (I'm thinking of a bumper sticker - "My other car is a Prius" because it's true.) Our model Leaf has a 6.6 port, and I wonder if the various options of chargers handle that. Obviously, I'm on a steep learning curve here. Kind of overwhelmed by all the details - I mean, the owner's manual is now my bedtime reading. :?



Welcome to the forum. A couple of things I'll add for you...Keep an eye on that 110v receptacle for heating issues. If it uses the spring clips for the wires that push into the rear, you may want to replace the receptacle with a new one and use the screw terminals. Those spring clips can get loose over time and may heat up, especially if the receptacle was outside...The second thing is that your 2012 SL model comes with two charging ports. The one on the right is for Level 1 charging at 120v and Level 2 charging at 240v (3.7kW demand maximum, 3.3kW to the battery). The port on the left is for DC Fast Charging using the Chademo protocol/standard. Those charging stations are in public and are growing. They'll deliver a max of 48kW to the car that tapers off as you charge, giving you a meaningful charge in 20-30 minutes. The 2012 models don't support the 6.6kW L2 charging; that will come in the 2013 models that will be sold in a few weeks....


Thanks for the tip. Spring clips in a wall socket? Who knew? How would I be able to tell? Actually, I don't think I even know what you're talking about. :? Replace the socket with screw terminals? Um...what's that? Would I need an electrician? The receptacle is indeed outside but only a year or so old and has a solid cover. I use a fat, heavy-duty extension cord, so wouldn't that take care of over-heating? If the receptacle overheats, would I expect to smell it or see smoke, or just be surprised when the fire engines show up?

I understand about the charging ports. We're close to several DC stations, haven't tried it yet. I got the impression that the 2012 SL had the 6.6, but I must have misread. Not that it matters because for now we're not installing a 240 charger, just sticking with trickle; my wife doesn't like the idea of stuff mounted on our outside wall, and there's no room in the garage - I'm working on her - the next DWP bill might change her mind, we have no idea what to expect.

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Re: Dedicated EV meter web site

Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:42 am

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Re: Dedicated EV meter web site

Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:39 am

wlegro wrote:Thanks for the tip. Spring clips in a wall socket? Who knew? How would I be able to tell? Actually, I don't think I even know what you're talking about. :? Replace the socket with screw terminals? Um...what's that? Would I need an electrician? The receptacle is indeed outside but only a year or so old and has a solid cover. I use a fat, heavy-duty extension cord, so wouldn't that take care of over-heating? If the receptacle overheats, would I expect to smell it or see smoke, or just be surprised when the fire engines show up?

I understand about the charging ports. We're close to several DC stations, haven't tried it yet. I got the impression that the 2012 SL had the 6.6, but I must have misread. Not that it matters because for now we're not installing a 240 charger, just sticking with trickle; my wife doesn't like the idea of stuff mounted on our outside wall, and there's no room in the garage - I'm working on her - the next DWP bill might change her mind, we have no idea what to expect.


There are three ways that wires are attached to your typical wall receptacle. One is by making hook in the wire and putting around a screw and tightening the screw. The second is by poking the wire into hole that has a clip that you then tighten with a screw to secure the wire. The third way you poke a wire into a hole that has a spring loaded clip that grabs the wire. The same receptacle can often be used in any of the three ways. The first two methods are fine, but the third can get loose over time. However, builders love to use the third option because it is very fast and easy.
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Re: Dedicated EV meter web site

Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:00 pm

davewill wrote:
wlegro wrote:Thanks for the tip. Spring clips in a wall socket? Who knew? How would I be able to tell? Actually, I don't think I even know what you're talking about. :? Replace the socket with screw terminals? Um...what's that? Would I need an electrician? The receptacle is indeed outside but only a year or so old and has a solid cover. I use a fat, heavy-duty extension cord, so wouldn't that take care of over-heating? If the receptacle overheats, would I expect to smell it or see smoke, or just be surprised when the fire engines show up?

I understand about the charging ports. We're close to several DC stations, haven't tried it yet. I got the impression that the 2012 SL had the 6.6, but I must have misread. Not that it matters because for now we're not installing a 240 charger, just sticking with trickle; my wife doesn't like the idea of stuff mounted on our outside wall, and there's no room in the garage - I'm working on her - the next DWP bill might change her mind, we have no idea what to expect.


There are three ways that wires are attached to your typical wall receptacle. One is by making hook in the wire and putting around a screw and tightening the screw. The second is by poking the wire into hole that has a clip that you then tighten with a screw to secure the wire. The third way you poke a wire into a hole that has a spring loaded clip that grabs the wire. The same receptacle can often be used in any of the three ways. The first two methods are fine, but the third can get loose over time. However, builders love to use the third option because it is very fast and easy.

10 - 15Amps is not a huge amount of current, but charging does continue for hours so I would *strongly* suggest that people err on the safe side and use a tightening method will the correct (stated) torque applied. This way the maximum contact between the wire and the socket is obtained and local heating at the connection is minimized.
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Re: Dedicated EV meter web site

Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:00 pm

davewill wrote:
wlegro wrote:Thanks for the tip. Spring clips in a wall socket? Who knew? How would I be able to tell? Actually, I don't think I even know what you're talking about. :? Replace the socket with screw terminals? Um...what's that? Would I need an electrician? The receptacle is indeed outside but only a year or so old and has a solid cover. I use a fat, heavy-duty extension cord, so wouldn't that take care of over-heating? If the receptacle overheats, would I expect to smell it or see smoke, or just be surprised when the fire engines show up?

I understand about the charging ports. We're close to several DC stations, haven't tried it yet. I got the impression that the 2012 SL had the 6.6, but I must have misread. Not that it matters because for now we're not installing a 240 charger, just sticking with trickle; my wife doesn't like the idea of stuff mounted on our outside wall, and there's no room in the garage - I'm working on her - the next DWP bill might change her mind, we have no idea what to expect.


There are three ways that wires are attached to your typical wall receptacle. One is by making hook in the wire and putting around a screw and tightening the screw. The second is by poking the wire into hole that has a clip that you then tighten with a screw to secure the wire. The third way you poke a wire into a hole that has a spring loaded clip that grabs the wire. The same receptacle can often be used in any of the three ways. The first two methods are fine, but the third can get loose over time. However, builders love to use the third option because it is very fast and easy.

10 - 15Amps is not a huge amount of current, but charging does continue for hours so I would *strongly* suggest that people err on the safe side and use a tightening method with the correct (stated) torque applied. This way the maximum contact between the wire and the socket is obtained and local heating at the connection is minimized.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

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