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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:02 am

I apologize if this has been answered before, but I wouldn't know where to start searching:

Does anyone know if upgrading EVSE for 2014 Leaf S via someone like EVSE Upgrade will void the lease or create any other problems at the end of lease term?

If so, does anyone want to sell one they're no longer using?

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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:56 am

smr wrote:I apologize if this has been answered before, but I wouldn't know where to start searching:

Does anyone know if upgrading EVSE for 2014 Leaf S via someone like EVSE Upgrade will void the lease or create any other problems at the end of lease term?

If so, does anyone want to sell one they're no longer using?




http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=faq_i ... &faqs_id=8

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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:24 am

Also don't forget to check the Marketplace section of this forum. Click on Board Index (left side of the screen just below where "Logout" is), then Marketplace, then Private for Sale.

There is this 2013+ upgraded EVSE for sale: viewtopic.php?f=41&t=19331
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:11 pm

Thanks everyone!

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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:35 pm

The OP is horribly outdated now. Uggh, OK, I made my own list.

reminder not all the URLs in this post are mine, only the ones near the link : notation with http at the start are links I provided.

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1. EVSE upgrade portable 120v/240v EVSE

Upgrade the EVSE that comes with Leaf. Back in the early days this was hands down the best option but with the 2015 EVSE limited again on power and the addition of more L2 chargers in public places this doesn't gain you as much now as it did in the early days.

Max Power : 3.84kW (16a @ 240V for 2011/2012/2015) or 4.8kW (20a @ 240V for 2013/2014)
Upgrade Cost : $287 + Shipping + $25 for the 120V adapter (required if you plan to do any L1 charging) + $37 for a 14-xx adapter (optional)
replacement cost for downgrade : MNL forum/eBay/etc can easily get you a 120V original for $200 or so and you can find people to trade an upgraded one for an original plus cash.
replacement cost for 240V capable version : $200 to $300 for original + $287 + Shipping + $25 for the 120V adapter (required if you plan to do any L1 charging) + $37 for a 14-xx adapter (optional)

Ideally if you have this or are considering this you want a 14-50 jack to plug it into but it will play nice with lower power and other shape jacks if you buy the proper adapter or replace the jack to match the plug you have.

link : http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=index&cPath=1


2. Jesla 40 amp portable 120v/240v EVSE

Max Power 9.6kW (40a @ 240V)
Cost : $999

This is the deluxe ultimate road warrior version of the evseupgrade. Better EVSE to start with converted to be friendly with J1772 and adapters equals the top of the line portable EVSE. It's not cheap but it holds the undeniable top spot in the portable EVSE market for those of us not driving a Tesla. Comes with the two adapters you are most likely to use with the option for any other adapter(s) you might need.

Link : http://www.QuickChargePower.com


3. Open EVSE

Get a kit from an open source hardware design. Buy rest of the items and assemble. Note these can be wall mounted or portable. Waterproof or not. This is the wildcard spot for everything not listed specifically elsewhere in the list that doesn't have a brand name stamped on the package.

Max Power > varies, cost competitive and can be feature rich but often less pleasing to the eye
Cost : ~$500

link : https://code.google.com/p/open-evse/wiki/Open_EVSEs (just some example pics, there are too many options to cover them all in one URL)


4. Clipper Creek LCS-25P (plug in) / LCS-25 (hard wired)

Max Power 4.8kW (20a @ 240V)
Cost : $485 / $469 plus electrician costs (with plug you pay once and can move the EVSE or upgrade without paying an electrician every time you change something)

If you get a 14-50 jack installed you are a leg up on plugging in your next higher amp EVSE should you get one. If you just need to cheap out the 14-30 jack still lets you use a 14-xx universal plug if you have a evseupgrade and want to plan for possible minor upgrade later.

Links :
http://www.clippercreek.com/store/produ ... 4-50-plug/
http://www.clippercreek.com/store/produ ... ema-14-30/
http://www.clippercreek.com/store/produ ... 5-level-2/


5. Clipper Creek HCS-40P (plug in) / HCS-40P (hard wired)

Max Power 7.7kW (32a @ 240V)
Cost : $589 / $565 plus electrician costs (with plug you pay once and can move the EVSE or upgrade without paying an electrician every time you change something)

If you had a 14-50 installed previously for another lower amp EVSE this is the max you can upgrade to. You could sell off a cheaper EVSE if you decide to upgrade to this.

Links :
http://www.clippercreek.com/store/produ ... 4-50-plug/
http://www.clippercreek.com/store/produ ... g-25-cord/

6. Schneider Electric EVlink 30 Amp Generation 2.5 Model # EV230WS

Max Power 7.2kW (30a @ 240V)
Cost : $599

White minimalistic look that might remind you of any number of computer products. But it is made by a major player in the home power arena so definitely worth considering if you make it this far down the list. They sell it as hard wired only but depending on codes you might get someone to install it with a 14-50 plug for you.

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There are other major corporation made EVSEs but none I've seen that beat the Jesla/evseupgrade routes for portable and the clipper creek / Schneider Electric routes for wall mounted (not counting the Tesla HPWC which is a no brainer for Tesla owners but doesn't exactly play nice with J1772 without modification).

If you want the ultimate in features look in the forums and find an openEVSE maker that will do a custom box for you. It won't save you money but it will give you way more options and you can decide how much information it shows where as some of the corporate options barely have more than a power light.
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:23 pm

dhanson865 wrote:3. Open EVSE

Get a kit from an open source hardware design. Buy rest of the items and assemble. Note these can be wall mounted or portable. Waterproof or not. This is the wildcard spot for everything not listed specifically elsewhere in the list that doesn't have a brand name stamped on the package.

Max Power > varies, cost competitive and can be feature rich but often less pleasing to the eye
Cost : ~$500


I think the new OpenEVSE enclosures are quite pleasing to the eye. Of course with an open design builders are free to use the parts of their choosing.

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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:35 am

chris1howell wrote:
dhanson865 wrote:3. Open EVSE

Get a kit from an open source hardware design. Buy rest of the items and assemble. Note these can be wall mounted or portable. Waterproof or not. This is the wildcard spot for everything not listed specifically elsewhere in the list that doesn't have a brand name stamped on the package.

Max Power > varies, cost competitive and can be feature rich but often less pleasing to the eye
Cost : ~$500


I think the new OpenEVSE enclosures are quite pleasing to the eye. Of course with an open design builders are free to use the parts of their choosing.



It's not always the enclosure, sometimes an OpenEVSE has a harsh looking display (amber, green, red whatever that looks harsh due to brightness or contrast ratio) and some have less polished looking cables.

It's a hand crafted thing so you'll have variations all the way from master craftsman that makes the best EVSE on the planet to rank amateur that makes an ugly one that is still safe to charge with to the occasional failed bit of text (that confuses everyone).

It's all in the eye of the beholder some people like the clear Plexiglas look that shows all the internals of the EVSE some would say that is ugly.

Some like the extra displays to show Volts, Amps, Watts, Power, Charge time elapsed, some would say that is too much and would rather have a single LED status ring that changes color to display the status with no text at all.

Maybe I should just add the URL https://code.google.com/p/open-evse/wiki/Open_EVSEs and let people see some examples?
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:08 pm

dhanson865 wrote:It's not always the enclosure, sometimes an OpenEVSE has a harsh looking display (amber, green, red whatever that looks harsh due to brightness or contrast ratio) and some have less polished looking cables.

It's a hand crafted thing so you'll have variations all the way from master craftsman that makes the best EVSE on the planet to rank amateur that makes an ugly one that is still safe to charge with to the occasional I failed and wasted hundreds of dollars in parts (that hopefully gets hidden away and never gets sold to anyone).

It's all in the eye of the beholder some people like the clear Plexiglas look that shows all the internals of the EVSE some would say that is ugly.

Some like the extra displays to show Volts, Amps, Watts, Power, Charge time elapsed, some would say that is too much and would rather have a single LED status ring that changes color to display the status with no text at all.

Maybe I should just add the URL https://code.google.com/p/open-evse/wiki/Open_EVSEs and let people see some examples?


I am very sorry you had trouble with your build. If you ever feel like giving it another shot. I will be happy to help you get it working.

The examples link is outdated, those were the very first builds back in 2011 and 2012, a lot has changed since then. Google code is about to shut down so most of the content has already been moved top openevse.com or abanoned. You are correct it is up to the builder to chose the components, however the vast majority now chose the kits which include the enclosure, parts and all the little bits as well the screws and connectors.

Build guides have also been vastly improved. http://guides.openevse.com

There is a Basic kit with a single LED...
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:37 pm

chris1howell wrote:
I am very sorry you had trouble with your build.


Interesting info but to be clear I've never tried making an open ev se. I was just googling for pictures to give something to point to.

Still I've looked at the open EV SEs for sale on this forum and even though some look quite impressive I wouldn't offer any of them to my coworkers that expect everything to be retail quality. They'd just nitpick something they didn't like about the particular EV SE and say it should look more like product X or product Y.

(did I mention I hate auto URLification of my own posts I can't even put the letters E V S E together without getting a URL in my post).
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Re: EVSE options for 2013+ Leafs

Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:45 pm

TBH my OpenEVSE is butt ugly on the surface, but that's my fault :D

All the parts from Chris that are inside are works of PCB art. I'd love to have an excuse to build another in one of those very stylish new boxes, but the darn thing just works perfectly every day so I can't justify the time or expense right now.

Maybe when I get the kids an iMiev later this year.
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