vsaphill
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Location: Encino CA to Chino CA 120 miles Daily
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Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:47 am

We charged Leaf to Leaf @ 110amps, it will charge from a 2013 or 2014 Leaf to any CHAdeMO equipped car.
ORCA Inceptive is a “DC Level 3 Charger” for CHAdeMO equipped Electrical Vehicles, that delivers up to 50 kWatts output power.

At maximum performance the ORCA Inceptive recharges the battery of a Stranded EV in 5 minutes delivering 5 kWh energy (equivalent to 20 miles range). In addition to the Rescue EV battery, ORCA Inceptive may be powered from: 208V, 400V, 480V, AC, DC, gas or diesel generators, or the electric grid.

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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:04 am

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Stoaty
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Re: Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:12 am

Sounds intriguing, but at 180 pounds and without a price hard to know where it would fit in.
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smkettner
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Re: Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:38 am

Why no 240 volts? This would be a great 18+ kW home charger.
Where do we click and buy?
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vsaphill
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Re: Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:56 am

smkettner wrote:Why no 240 volts? This would be a great 18+ kW home charger.
Where do we click and buy?


Yes it will work with 208/240V

I'm working on the price

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:00 pm

not sure this would be a popular home option. more like emergency roadside assistance or very large fleet operations. guessing the price tag would be more than I would pay...a lot more
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TimLee
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Re: Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:47 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:not sure this would be a popular home option. more like emergency roadside assistance or very large fleet operations. guessing the price tag would be more than I would pay...a lot more

And not just cost issue.
Residential supply is usually at most a 200 amp, 240V service. 18kW is 75 amps. And NEC requires the continuous load to be loaded no more than 80%.
So the breaker will need to be 100 amp, pretty unusual on 200 amp service.
And the utility may have issues with it too. And if they charge more based on your peak demand that may be another cost problem unless you get special time of day rate, separate meter, etc.

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pchilds
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Re: Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:55 pm

TimLee wrote:And not just cost issue.
Residential supply is usually at most a 200 amp, 240V service. 18kW is 75 amps. And NEC requires the continuous load to be loaded no more than 80%.
So the breaker will need to be 100 amp, pretty unusual on 200 amp service.
And the utility may have issues with it too. And if they charge more based on your peak demand that may be another cost problem unless you get special time of day rate, separate meter, etc.

Why would a quick charger be a continuous load for residential use? At 100 amps 24 kW, only a Tesla Model S with a 85 kWh pack would be a continuous load, charging from 0% to 100%. The NEC definition of continuous load is 100% for more than three hours. All other currently available production EVs including the Tesla Model S 60 kWh would not be a continuous load for quick charging at 24 kW, charging from 0% to 100%.
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KillaWhat
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Re: Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:14 pm

If the price is right, I got a 100 Amp breaker sitting right here.
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smkettner
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Re: Quick Charged my leaf from another leaf

Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:32 pm

pchilds wrote:
TimLee wrote:And not just cost issue.
Residential supply is usually at most a 200 amp, 240V service. 18kW is 75 amps. And NEC requires the continuous load to be loaded no more than 80%.
So the breaker will need to be 100 amp, pretty unusual on 200 amp service.
And the utility may have issues with it too. And if they charge more based on your peak demand that may be another cost problem unless you get special time of day rate, separate meter, etc.

Why would a quick charger be a continuous load for residential use? At 100 amps 24 kW, only a Tesla Model S with a 85 kWh pack would be a continuous load, charging from 0% to 100%. The NEC definition of continuous load is 100% for more than three hours. All other currently available production EVs including the Tesla Model S 60 kWh would not be a continuous load for quick charging at 24 kW, charging from 0% to 100%.

Charger does not know the capacity of the vehicle is the reason.
If the charger self limited after a couple hours to a lower value then I think you could ignore the 80% rule.
100a breaker does not seem like a big deal anyway. Still may need to self limit power.
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