jjeff
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Yes you don't get all the amp settings, I just chose 13a, 20a and 30a(max for my plug type). It may be possible to get more settings I just don't know, after many emails back and forth I just wanted to get my EVSE. I'm still using it daily and really like the j1772 cord which unlike some of my other EVSE cables remained pliable even in sub zero temps, very important for us Northerners ;)
I understand wanting to support a local company and it's also nice to have a local company for warranty issues, neither of which you get ordering direct from China.
Is your Canadian EVSE adjustable and 120v compatible? to me both those things were important as I like to be able to plug into basically any outlet and charge at the maximum it will let me, others may not care or be satisfied with lesser charge rates. Again Clipper Creek is quite popular around here for both the fact it's made in the US and quality built and UL listed, I personally wanted a EVSE that was more flexible for both voltage and current so I had to look elsewhere.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
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alozzy
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:48 pm

Agreed, I would like lots of flexibility in summer, when we travel and camp a lot. The Leaf is our only car.

So, I'll definitely check out Zencar.

The CC LCS-30 is about the same price as the EVDuty, but maxes out at 24A. Otherwise, very similar. I would likely buy the EVDuty for the higher charging rate, plus no shipping charges, if I decide not to buy the Zencar one.

Thanks again for all your sage advice.
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jjeff
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:06 pm

alozzy wrote:Agreed, I would like lots of flexibility in summer, when we travel and camp a lot. The Leaf is our only car.

So, I'll definitely check out Zencar.

The CC LCS-30 is about the same price as the EVDuty, but maxes out at 24A. Otherwise, very similar. I would likely buy the EVDuty for the higher charging rate, plus no shipping charges, if I decide not to buy the Zencar one.

Thanks again for all your sage advice.

I just looked again at the EVDuty you linked in your OP: http://evandmore.com/collections/frontp ... 240-evduty
Note to me it looks like you order it for the maximum output amps you want and they build it that way, not sure how easily you can change it in the field?? I also didn't see a reference to it working on 120v but maybe I missed something? another thing I'm not as found about is it uses the large/bulky range plug 14-50 standard. While I originally went with this standard I switched early on to the much more manageable L6-30(which EVSEupgrade uses). It's far easier and cheaper to get female L6-30 plugs for making various outlet adapters if you want to be able to plug the EVSE into different outlets other than a 14-50 which is somewhat common in RV parks but I also see lots of TT-30 only sites. Not as sure about provincial parks, maybe they all have 14-50 in which case you might be good. The downside to the L6-30 outlet is it only goes up to 30a but with the Leaf thats just fine as our chargers max out at 27.5a anyway.

If your mainly just interested in 30a charging at RV parks that have that plug type and using it at home on a >30a 240v circuit you might be just fine with the EVDuty's plug type and amperage, I'm just trying to point the possible advantages of a more flexible EVSE :)

Update, upon further looking the EVDuty uses the 6-50 plug which will NOT plug into the outlets you'll see at a RV park, those are the 14-50 standard which includes a neutral. Note EVSEs don't require a neutral but again the 6-50 plug will NOT plug into a 14-50 outlet.
Maybe more than you want to know but a 14-50 plug(with the neutral pin removed) will plug into a 6-50 outlet just not the other way around.
Personally if I were getting the EVDuty EVSE I'd order it with just a pigtail and put on a 14-50 plug(with the neutral pin removed) myself. Amazon sells them for about $15 USD for a nice yellow plug with a handle on it, Canadian Tire also probably sells them but not sure if they have the one with the handle which is nice as the plug is rather large and can be difficult to unplug.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
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'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

alozzy
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:32 pm

I'm a bit of an idiot when it comes to electrical stuff, so the plug details are much appreciated.

If the EVDuty comes with a 6-50 plug then I would assume that it's only got a three wire cable. If so, is it safe to wire a 4-50 pigtail to the cable end if there's no ground wire?
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alozzy
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:40 pm

Actually, I guess the EVDuty has three wire black/red/green, so no neutral but it has a ground. So, if wiring a 14-50 plug, I wouldn't have a neutral to wire to the plug. Since the neutral isn't used, it should be OK to wire it with no neutral - I think...

I definitely need 14-50 functionality for campgrounds/RV parks. For 120V charging, I would bring along the stock EVSE.

This is one area where standardization is really needed for EVs if there's going to be made adoption. So many people have zero patience and would just throw their hands in the air over little details like this. Fortunately, I'm pretty patient :-)
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Canadian with a US 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
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jjeff
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:43 pm

alozzy wrote:I'm a bit of an idiot when it comes to electrical stuff, so the plug details are much appreciated.

If the EVDuty comes with a 6-50 plug then I would assume that it's only got a three wire cable. If so, is it safe to wire a 4-50 pigtail to the cable end if there's no ground wire?

Yes more than likely the EVDuty will just have 3 wires, 2 hots and a ground. The 14-xx plug standard uses 2 hots, a neutral(for 120v use) and a ground. When wiring a 14-50 plug to an EVSE you still use the ground and 2 hots, just not the neutral(center pin), yes it's perfectly safe for a EVSE.
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
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'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

alozzy
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:50 pm

Awesome, thanks!
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jjeff
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:18 pm

alozzy wrote:....

This is one area where standardization is really needed for EVs if there's going to be made adoption. So many people have zero patience and would just throw their hands in the air over little details like this. Fortunately, I'm pretty patient :-)

I don't disagree, the problem is in N. America we have so many different type of 240v plug styles, it's kind of mind-boggling from someone just used to the standard 120v wall outlet(NEMA 5-15 standard). The reason we have so many different type of plugs is the plug style denotes the maximum current the outlet will supply. We have 15a, 20a, 30a and 50a. Then we have different type of plugs for various applications. The 6-xx standard for example doesn't use the neutral, just 2 hots and a ground. Then there is the 14-xx standard which gives you 2 hots, a ground and neutral(for things like a camper than need not only 240v but also 120v). Then there is the somewhat obsolete 10-xx standard that uses 2 hots and a combined neutral/ground for things like old ranges that need 240v but also 120v for things like a light bulb or 120v convenience outlet, this plug standard isn't really code anymore but lots of old ranges still use it. Not to mention the various L standard plugs that are what I like, they are a locking type outlet that won't pull out like a standard plug, they are also smaller than the normal larger amp 240v plugs.
Tesla kind of standardized on the 14-50 standard which is probably the most common high amperage range outlet and like our Leafs they don't need the neutral and my guess?? is they omit the neutral pin on the plug so you could plug it into a 6-50 or even 14-60 outlet if available.
EVSEupgrade standardized on the L6-30 plug which is what I like and since they never exceed 30a it works well for them, finding a L6-30 outlet out and about is very rare, hence why people like me have made various outlet adapters and for that the L6-30 works great.
Many higher amperage EVSEs for sale in the US seem to follow Teslas lead and use the 14-50 plug, I've never seen another EVSE use the 6-50 plug the EVduty uses which is normally used for things like a welder that doesn't need the neutral, smaller amperage 240v EVSEs use a variety of plug styles, generally trying to mimic a 240v AC plug or dryer or range outlet.
While it would be nice to have one plug do it all(like the standard 120v plug) unfortunately that will probably never happen due to the wide range of amperages and whether a neutral is needed or not.
Heres a link to a chart that shows the various outlet types, go down about 2 pages and on the right side is the chart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector
The EVSE Tony Williams sells is nice in this respect, depending on the plug you use it adjusts the output amperage, you pay a bit more for this but kind of takes the guess work out of things.
http://shop.quickchargepower.com/JESLA- ... scsfapp002
2012 SL purchased used 2/'16
2013 S w/QC purchased new
Juicebox Premium 60a L1/L2 EVSE, Ebusbar 16a L1/L2 EVSE
'12 EVSEupgrade'd 20a L1/L2 EVSE, '13 EVSEupgrade'd adjustable 6-20a L2, 6-13a L1 EVSE
Zencar 13, 20, 30a L1/L2 portable EVSE
GE Durastation 30a

alozzy
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:31 pm

Yup, I realize it's challenging with all the different plug types but it will definitely not help with adoption of EVs. Like you said though, most higher capacity EVSEs seem to come with 14-50 plugs on them so hopefully that will becomes common place for home charging. Modern dryers use that too, which makes it easier to find an electrician who's qualified to install the 14-50 receptacle.

Don't know why EVDuty has a 6-50 plug, kind of odd. However, perhaps they'll put a 14-50 plug on it for me.

Still hoping the Zencar EVSE will ship to Vancouver at a reasonable price, looks perfect for my needs. I'm not wanting to spend more than $700 CA though.
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Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
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wmcbrine
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Re: Canadian made EVSE - EVDuty - anyone own one?

Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:13 pm

jjeff wrote:Many higher amperage EVSEs for sale in the US seem to follow Teslas lead and use the 14-50 plug, I've never seen another EVSE use the 6-50 plug the EVduty uses

Actually the 6-50 is very common on EVSEs -- from the old Blink, to the EVSE with at least five names, to the ChargePoint Home, to the Siemens VersiCharge, to the GE WattStation, to Aerovironment, to Leviton... I think it's actually the most common EVSE plug type, at least by the number of models of that support it. It's also an option for some Clipper Creek models, but of course you can get 14-50's there, too; and 14-50 is standard for JuiceBox, typical for OpenEVSE, etc.
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