GlennD
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Re: EVgo user portal

Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:09 pm

Evoforce wrote:I find that this company is cost prohibitive. I wish we could all boycott and force a price reduction.



Everything with old pricing is overpriced. The units on the OpenEVSE site are over priced. It depends when the price was set. EVSE's are one thing that goes down. When I first got my 2012 Leaf I purchased a Litton 16A EVSE for $1000. Conspired to a Aerovirment unit that was a bargain.

Parts have really come down. I remember paying Avnet over $325 for my first J1772 cable. I know buy the from eBay for less than $100 shipped. Even A 40A Quick Charge 20 ft new cable is under $200 shipped I am a cheapskate and I buy cheap.
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Re: EVgo user portal

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:36 am

EVGO is a vampire company that thinks it can get rich from the "range anxiety" that EV drivers (they think) will get. They appear to be trying to pay for their charging stations in the first months of use.

I have called them in the past to get the details of their membership and service. When they told me, I instantly told them that I refuse to sign up for such an expensive and price-gouging service....

We should all call up and give instant denial of $$ to the rep on the telephone.

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Re: EVgo user portal

Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:58 am

It's an old debate at this point, but the bottom line remains: If you don't want to use them, don't. Simple as that. Leaves more availability for others.

Have they turned a profit yet? It's still a tiny market. I'm guessing most of their revenue is coming from OEM promotional charging programs.

In two years I've racked up $43 in fees, all of which I fully appreciated.
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Re: EVgo user portal

Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:35 am

Charging as an independent service will never be truly profitable. It has to be part of a larger service, like... Sell you food while you charge... That's why Tesla does it right with the destination chargers at hotels, restaurants, etc, and the SuperChargers being placed near restaurants..
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Evoforce
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Re: EVgo user portal

Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:17 pm

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:It's an old debate at this point, but the bottom line remains: If you don't want to use them, don't. Simple as that. Leaves more availability for others.

Have they turned a profit yet? It's still a tiny market. I'm guessing most of their revenue is coming from OEM promotional charging programs.

In two years I've racked up $43 in fees, all of which I fully appreciated.


Then you must have a charge for free card and/or don't use them very much. The basic monthly fee is $15 mo. plus expensive usage fees.

Then you have a few other ridiculous things that they do (for example) like a limit of an hour between charges. If I run out of charge in less than an hour I have to wait maybe 20 minutes before charging again.

If you have a bigger battery car, it can take longer to charge than the time they allow and you may not have enough to reach your next destination. Also, you still cannot charge again before an hour has elapsed even if there is another station you could go to nearby for a full charge
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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Re: EVgo user portal

Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:26 pm

I've never had a NCTC card, wasn't available then. I'm on the flex plan, and hardly ever use it. I don't really drive very much. Your other points are well founded, their 30 min limit and limits between charges and fee structures are all problematic. There's massive room for improvement. Tesla they are not. But then, they have no car sales to support. They do have decent locations and more than one unit per site usually, and they respond to plugshare comments when repairs are needed. Frankly, at this stage, I'm happy to have any QC that anybody is willing to install. Options are few and far between.
'12 SL last reading @ 2 yr, 22k, 260 GIDs, 62.35 Ahr

'15 SV w/QC, Mfd 5/14, Leased 8/14, 292 GIDs, 64.38 Ahr when new
@ 36 months, 34k, 270 GID, 57.49 Ahr

'17 Bolt LT



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Re: EVgo user portal

Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:18 am

I'm lucky in that both where I work and where I volunteer have state sponsored EVgo chargers that are free. You still have to have a EVgo card but they charge nothing to it...

Evoforce wrote:I find that this company is cost prohibitive. I wish we could all boycott and force a price reduction.
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2016 Volt Premier. Model 3 configured.

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Re: EVgo user portal

Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:09 pm

GlennD wrote:EVSE's are one thing that goes down. When I first got my 2012 Leaf I purchased a Litton 16A EVSE for $1000.

I dunno, I feel like I haven't seen a lot of price movement in the two and a half years that I've had an EV. They were roughly $500 then, and they're roughly $500 now. But I realize they did come down a lot before that time.

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Re: EVgo user portal

Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:32 pm

wmcbrine wrote:
GlennD wrote:EVSE's are one thing that goes down. When I first got my 2012 Leaf I purchased a Litton 16A EVSE for $1000.

I dunno, I feel like I haven't seen a lot of price movement in the two and a half years that I've had an EV. They were roughly $500 then, and they're roughly $500 now. But I realize they did come down a lot before that time.



Prices have just about been cut in half since I purchased my car. The basic 40A JuiceBox from Amazon is a great deal.

WHEN YOU BUILD evse's your self OpenEVSE has come down from $135 TO $79. I build DIY boards for well under $50. A 4 ft 40A range cable is less than $10 shipped, A new cable from eBay is less than $135 shipped (20Ft brand name) and used ones are around $100 shipped. A 4 function meter is less than $10, Chinese coils for the GFCI are around $4. A contactor or relay is less than $15 shipped. The Electrical box I frequently use is less than $15 and finally the display is less that $30.

You can build an OpenEVSE for well under $350 with careful shopping.
2012 Cayenne Red SL traded for:
2013 Pearl White SL Premium
Traded for a Cirrus White 2014 Mercedes B (totaled)
2016 Urano Gray eGolf SEL w/ drive assist
Loved the VW but it sat too low for my old body
Back to a Cirrus White 2017 B250E

Evoforce
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Re: EVgo user portal

Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:47 pm

What I was complaining about in this thread, is the outlandish price to charge at nrg/eVgo chademo stations.
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

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