Only an idiot would drive an "electric car" with no DC charge port and such a tiny available battery capacity, and then complain about the public charging infrastructure!GRA said:
...A couple of weeks ago, we charged a 2018 Kia Niro Plug-In Hybrid 15 times within two days.
It was part of a contest during a two-day press drive for the car—though we were beaten by the team that charged their Niro a stunning 31 times in little more than 30 hours.
But our experience reinforced what many electric car drivers either knew going in or have learned relatively quickly: Electric-car charging at public stations needs to be far better than it is today...
Yup. PHEVs don't need away from home charging, it's just a nice to have, whereas for short -range BEVs (and people without at home charging), it's essential. Of course, someone without any convenient place to charge should just buy an HEV rather than a PHEV. Also, none of the points raised in the article were specific to PHEVs, they applied to all PEVs.SageBrush said:The journalists set up a test that was bound to shine an uncomplimentary light on PHEVs, but plug-in hybrids are far from a bad idea. I use our Prius Prime for my 90 mile commute -- too long for my LEAF -- and have averaged 100 MPG over 10k miles.
AC charging at the workplace with AC charging at home makes for a very useful PHEV. Even my case of only AC charging at home has halved my petrol consumption for my work commute. And unlike my LEAF, the PHEV is good for longer trips too and will last a LOT longer.
And just to set the record straight -- the AC charger network was mostly put up for the < 100 mile range 1st generation of EVs like the LEAF.
Unfortunately, the practice of giving PHEVs free charging at public L2 sites often degrades those EVSEs, making them extremely unreliable for BEVs.GRA said:Yup. PHEVs don't need away from home charging, it's just a nice to have...SageBrush said:...And just to set the record straight -- the AC charger network was mostly put up for the < 100 mile range 1st generation of EVs like the LEAF.
Do you have something to back that assertion up with besides paranoia ?edatoakrun said:Unfortunately, the practice of giving PHEVs free charging at public L2 sites often degrades those EVSEs, making them extremely unreliable for BEVs.
SageBrush said:Do you have something to back that assertion up with besides paranoia ?edatoakrun said:Unfortunately, the practice of giving PHEVs free charging at public L2 sites often degrades those EVSEs, making them extremely unreliable for BEVs.
I know of very few free chargers around here for any PEVs, but if the property owners consider that a problem they can change it. At the 10 L2 EVSE Blink site nearest me, I've never seen more than 4 occupied at the same time, for the simple reason that charging there is more expensive than buying gas. But I still see both PHEVs and BEVs using it occasionally, although the BEVs are more likely to use the single co-located CHAdeMO and pay $.10/kWh more. I'm certainly in favor of making people pay for energy, but I don't see how that's an issue for BEVs specifically, beyond the fact that a charging station may not be available for them when they want to use it. Charging station hogs are just as likely to be driving BEVs as PHEVs.edatoakrun said:Unfortunately, the practice of giving PHEVs free charging at public L2 sites often degrades those EVSEs, making them extremely unreliable for BEVs.GRA said:Yup. PHEVs don't need away from home charging, it's just a nice to have...SageBrush said:...And just to set the record straight -- the AC charger network was mostly put up for the < 100 mile range 1st generation of EVs like the LEAF.
Hey, whatever works for you or anyone else. We'll soon see how sales break down between the two versions - I fully expect the PHEV to outsell the BEV by a wide margin based on price and performance, but I could be wrong.edatoakrun said:Fortunately, the vehicle Kia Niro will soon be available as an actual electric vehicle, so you can pass on the Piss-poor HEV version used in the story.
The obvious answer would be that a lot of people are not you. E.g., EV owners that travel to where you live as a destination for an hour or two.rmay635703 said:what good is a fast charger that’s right next to where I live when no chargers exist along the roads I drive on?
About 250,000 + benefit from the situation as much as I do though.SageBrush said:The obvious answer would be that a lot of people are not you. E.g., EV owners that travel to where you live as a destination for an hour or two.rmay635703 said:what good is a fast charger that’s right next to where I live when no chargers exist along the roads I drive on?
Or Suburbanites.rmay635703 said:About 250,000 + benefit from the situation as much as I do though.SageBrush said:The obvious answer would be that a lot of people are not you. E.g., EV owners that travel to where you live as a destination for an hour or two.rmay635703 said:what good is a fast charger that’s right next to where I live when no chargers exist along the roads I drive on?
(Which is a big area in this state)
I don’t foresee many “rural” EV owners driving to the cities to use the “qwik “ charger to go back to their farm
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